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[Bob Owens]

I don't know how old you were at the time, but Jimmy Carter had the country in a major funk long before Reagan came along. Nobody was getting hired while Carter was President.

By the way a vote for the prophet Obama is a vote for marxism - he is way beyond your garden variety Democrat.
He is against oil exploration in anwr and off the coasts as well as building new refineries. Look for gas to sky rocket to about $7.00 per gallon if this phoney is elected. Common sense would tell anybody in this industry we need more gas now and in the future. That is, if you like being employed. <_<

Common sense would dictate that had we followed Carter's plan to make us energy independant by the year 2000 we wouldnt be paying $4/gallon for gas(and if we were it wouldnt be a big deal if the "average" car got 35mpg), the Twin Towers would still be standing and we wouldnt be in Iraq. Common sense dictates that we need to find a way to use less oil because even if we drilled off every beach, in every national park and built a refinery in every state we would still use more than we produce.

 

[Bob Owens]

It's amazing how the unions are blamed for restrictive work rules and unrealistic expectations but it never seems to apply to executives, because as FFCa says, compared to other corporations, our executives should be receiving food stamps and welfare.

For years Eolson and others have been balking about "restrictive work rules" and how SWA doesnt have them, to date he hasnt been able to cite any work rule that gives SWA a competative edge and justifies the huge disparity in pay between us.

 

[enough already]

Common sense would dictate that had we followed Carter's plan to make us energy independant by the year 2000 we wouldnt be paying $4/gallon for gas(and if we were it wouldnt be a big deal if the "average" car got 35mpg), the Twin Towers would still be standing and we wouldnt be in Iraq. Common sense dictates that we need to find a way to use less oil because even if we drilled off every beach, in every national park and built a refinery in every state we would still use more than we produce.

Bob, I generally agree with you, but these statements are ridiculous. Who knows what woulda, coulda happened. I don't think you can say that common sense points that way. How come you didn't say we would also have had a cure for cancer and HIV too? <_<

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Common sense would dictate that had we followed Carter's plan to make us energy independant by the year 2000 we wouldnt be paying $4/gallon for gas(and if we were it wouldnt be a big deal if the "average" car got 35mpg), the Twin Towers would still be standing and we wouldnt be in Iraq. Common sense dictates that we need to find a way to use less oil because even if we drilled off every beach, in every national park and built a refinery in every state we would still use more than we produce.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147

Not according to this guy

A long video but one that will make you wonder

CIO <_<

 

[FrequentFlierCA]

You actually think that this statement of yours , contradicts this particular statement of his?

I wasn't contradicting him or justifying the merits (or lack thereof) for exec pay. I was stating the fact that - for all the attention this topic received in the airline industry - it is a pittance compared to what goes on outside the industry. Not passing judgment either way.

 

[Hopeful]

I wasn't contradicting him or justifying the merits (or lack thereof) for exec pay. I was stating the fact that - for all the attention this topic received in the airline industry - it is a pittance compared to what goes on outside the industry. Not passing judgment either way.

Not really fair to compare the airline industry with any other industry. We work in one of the most volatile and unstable industries out there. This is not to say other industries don't have their issues.
What separates us more is the fact that airline workers started our spiral downward following deregulation only to have our fate sealed by the firing of the PATCO controllers when war was declared on us. Bean counters began running the airlines replacing true airline managers.
Service was no longer important, only profits.. As for employees, well, as we have heard from the anti-unionists here, we can all go screw ourselves. And if we don't like it, we should quit or go get MBA's so we can get rewarded for screwing employees...

 

[xmarlin]

I don't know how old you were at the time, but Jimmy Carter had the country in a major funk long before Reagan came along. Nobody was getting hired while Carter was President.

By the way a vote for the prophet Obama is a vote for marxism - he is way beyond your garden variety Democrat.
He is against oil exploration in anwr and off the coasts as well as building new refineries. Look for gas to sky rocket to about $7.00 per gallon if this phoney is elected. Common sense would tell anybody in this industry we need more gas now and in the future. That is, if you like being employed. <_<

Don't patronize me....

Old enough to remember that Carter inherited "Stagflation" from the Nixon/Ford crowd (The same crowd that gave us Rumsfeld/Cheney and the rest of today's neo-con cabal. Interesting how history repeats itself. Reagan/Bush spent us into debt and now Bush/Cheney are repeating the excercise. Busted S&L industry under Reagan, Busted Mortgage-Banking industry under Bush...

I guess it was a good thing the credit industry was able to get the bankruptcy laws passed before the Democrats got back control...now the good folks can use their $600.00 "Stimulus Rebate" to repay their credit cards....ROTFLMAO.

Reagan/Bush = Illegal Wars in Central America
Bush/Cheney = Illegal war in Iraq

Illegal war has no effect on fuel prices right?

I could go on but I doubt you need a history lesson.

I'll take my chances with the "Marxist" rather than risk four more years with McSame...

Oh, and can you cite a source other than Rush Limbaugh or Fox news for your "Marxist" allegation?

edit for spelling.

 

[Vortilon]

Don't patronize me....

Old enough to remember that Carter inherited "Stagflation" from the Nixon/Ford crowd (The same crowd that gave us Rumsfeld/Cheney and the rest of today's neo-con cabal. Interesting how history repeats itself. Reagan/Bush spent us into debt and now Bush/Cheney are repeating the excercise. Busted S&L industry under Reagan, Busted Mortgage-Banking industry under Bush...

I guess it was a good thing the credit industry was able to get the bankruptcy laws passed before the Democrats got back control...now the good folks can use their $600.00 "Stimulus Rebate" to repay their credit cards....ROTFLMAO.

Reagan/Bush = Illegal Wars in Central America
Bush/Cheney = Illegal war in Iraq

Illegal war has no effect on fuel prices right?

I could go on but I doubt you need a history lesson.

I'll take my chances with the "Marxist" rather than risk four more years with McSame...

Oh, and can you cite a source other than Rush Limbaugh or Fox news for your "Marxist" allegation?

edit for spelling.

Save your BS xmar, Carter screwed us back in 70s with 21% interest rates, double digit inflation, and lines at the gas pump. I have real fond memories of that putz. Now the Libs bring out the slightly darker reincarnation of ole Grits who claims we need change. Funny how history repeats itself, the prophet Obamas speaches sound IDENTICAL to Carters.

As far as sources go, there are plenty. Take a look at the company this guy keeps. Listen to what his wife has said and written in the past. This guy is a scam artist. Your hatred for Bush is clouding your judgement. I'm not happy with McCane either - he can take his cap and trade and man made global warming and shove em both.

So, now we are down to the lesser of two evils. Do you really want a pacifist wimp like Osama I mean Obama running the nations security while we are fighting terrorism. He really thinks they can all hold hands and sing kumbaya - yeah right.

His energy policy is spot on...look for gas to spike to $7.00 plus per gallon if elected.

Also, look for your investments value to go way down..He's not good for business.

Kiss our nations defense goodbye he wants to cut defense spending. OSAMA is cheering.

 

[Hopeful]

Save your BS xmar, Carter screwed us back in 70s with 21% interest rates, double digit inflation, and lines at the gas pump. I have real fond memories of that putz. Now the Libs bring out the slightly darker reincarnation of ole Grits who claims we need change. Funny how history repeats itself, the prophet Obamas speaches sound IDENTICAL to Carters.

As far as sources go, there are plenty. Take a look at the company this guy keeps. Listen to what his wife has said and written in the past. This guy is a scam artist. Your hatred for Bush is clouding your judgement. I'm not happy with McCane either - he can take his cap and trade and man made global warming and shove em both.

So, now we are down to the lesser of two evils. Do you really want a pacifist wimp like Osama I mean Obama running the nations security while we are fighting terrorism. He really thinks they can all hold hands and sing kumbaya - yeah right.

His energy policy is spot on...look for gas to spike to $7.00 plus per gallon if elected.

Also, look for your investments value to go way down..He's not good for business.

Kiss our nations defense goodbye he wants to cut defense spending. OSAMA is cheering.

As Osama, er I mean Obama said, it's not so much that gas prices are high, it's just that they went high so fast.

This guy is all for high gas prices with the belief that Americans will use less...meanwhile the trucking and airline industries are being devastated.

 

[Ralph]

:cop: TOPIC DRIFT! DANGER! DANGER! :cop:

Do not turn the thread into whose politics are right or wrong. If that is the topic, go to the Water Cooler. Each of you, go back and re-read the topic title carefully. If you can not stick to that topic, do not post.

Also, watch the language. A couple of you would have been sent warnings if I had caught your posts in time. Using asterisks and exclamation points in place of the vowels does NOT make it less vulgar. If you can not post without using vulgar/profane language, do not post.

 

[Bob Owens]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147

Not according to this guy

A long video but one that will make you wonder

CIO <_<

Guess I'm going to the water cooler.

I agree that there is no energy shortage-only a shortage of viable options for energy.

If there was a shortage we would see gas stations with signs out front saying "CLOSED -OUT OF GAS" like we did in "74".

Not only are just about all automobiles powered by oil but a lot of homes are heated by it and 70% of our electricity is also produced from fossil fuel.

Oil has a near monopoly on energy and thats why we are paying $4 a gallon and going up -BECAUSE THEY CAN.

Lets say they do indeed get enough oil out of Alaska to supply the US for the next 200 years like Lindsey Williams says, so what?, That doesnt mean the price would come down unless the few oil companies we have left(since the government has allowed the industry to consolidate) decided to have a price war.

The fact is oil was very cheap up until Bush invaded Iraq, partly because Saddam Hussain, who sat on the second largest known reserves, was 'illegally"(in violation of UN sanctions) dumping oil onto the market. Other oil producers kept their price low to deny Iraq the ability to sell even more oil.

President Bush has said very few things that have merit, but when he said we were addicted to oil he was correct. Carter saw that 28 years ago and wanted to break us from that addiction.PVs have been around a long time. PVs were used to power skylab in the 70s. Everyday the sun rises and dumps all this free energy on us but we have failed to capitalize on it due to the convienence and affordability of oil. We still produce 70% of our electricilty with fossil fuel! Look at how people burned wood, then coal before they developed oil. Its time to move on to other sources. Solar cells can be made from silicon-the second most prevent element on earth. The same stuff used to make computers-look how mass production had made computers cheap, there is a lot more involved in making the PC you are sitting in front of than a solar covered roof. We have not progressed as we should and had we followed Carters lead, and spent the 80s and 90s developing alternate sources the oil companies and OPEC would not have us in the bind we are in. Sure they could try and charge $4 a gallon, but we would have other options.

Our dependance on burning oil presents other problems as well, we are taking carbon and other pollutants from underground where God put it and putting it in the air resulting in climate change and pollution. As the rest of the earths population becomes as energy thirsty as we are through the expanded use of automobiles and electrical appliances the amount of carbon emissions and polutants will increase, possibly to catastrophic levels. We (the US) prohibit the developement of Nuclear facilities not only within our borders but in other countries as well. Leaving poorer counties with few alternatives other than becoming oil addicts like us.

Imagine if we had made the investment on alternate energy, not only could we turn our backs on the Mid-east and let them sort things out themselves (thus not being the target of Mulsim radicals) but we could sell the technology we develop and be more of what we once were-and exporter. Only instead of exporting products made from finite raw materials we would be exporting limitless technology.

If the Railroads had as much influence on our government as the oil companies have on it today we would still be taking a train from city to city and flying would only be for the richest. The solution is not more oil, the solution is to find alternatives.

 

[Vortilon]

Guess I'm going to the water cooler.

I agree that there is no energy shortage-only a shortage of viable options for energy.

If there was a shortage we would see gas stations with signs out front saying "CLOSED -OUT OF GAS" like we did in "74".

Not only are just about all automobiles powered by oil but a lot of homes are heated by it and 70% of our electricity is also produced from fossil fuel.

Oil has a near monopoly on energy and thats why we are paying $4 a gallon and going up -BECAUSE THEY CAN.

Lets say they do indeed get enough oil out of Alaska to supply the US for the next 200 years like Lindsey Williams says, so what?, That doesnt mean the price would come down unless the few oil companies we have left(since the government has allowed the industry to consolidate) decided to have a price war.

The fact is oil was very cheap up until Bush invaded Iraq, partly because Saddam Hussain, who sat on the second largest known reserves, was 'illegally"(in violation of UN sanctions) dumping oil onto the market. Other oil producers kept their price low to deny Iraq the ability to sell even more oil.

President Bush has said very few things that have merit, but when he said we were addicted to oil he was correct. Carter saw that 28 years ago and wanted to break us from that addiction.PVs have been around a long time. PVs were used to power skylab in the 70s. Everyday the sun rises and dumps all this free energy on us but we have failed to capitalize on it due to the convienence and affordability of oil. We still produce 70% of our electricilty with fossil fuel! Look at how people burned wood, then coal before they developed oil. Its time to move on to other sources. Solar cells can be made from silicon-the second most prevent element on earth. The same stuff used to make computers-look how mass production had made computers cheap, there is a lot more involved in making the PC you are sitting in front of than a solar covered roof. We have not progressed as we should and had we followed Carters lead, and spent the 80s and 90s developing alternate sources the oil companies and OPEC would not have us in the bind we are in. Sure they could try and charge $4 a gallon, but we would have other options.

Our dependance on burning oil presents other problems as well, we are taking carbon and other pollutants from underground where God put it and putting it in the air resulting in climate change and pollution. As the rest of the earths population becomes as energy thirsty as we are through the expanded use of automobiles and electrical appliances the amount of carbon emissions and polutants will increase, possibly to catastrophic levels. We (the US) prohibit the developement of Nuclear facilities not only within our borders but in other countries as well. Leaving poorer counties with few alternatives other than becoming oil addicts like us.

Imagine if we had made the investment on alternate energy, not only could we turn our backs on the Mid-east and let them sort things out themselves (thus not being the target of Mulsim radicals) but we could sell the technology we develop and be more of what we once were-and exporter. Only instead of exporting products made from finite raw materials we would be exporting limitless technology.

If the Railroads had as much influence on our government as the oil companies have on it today we would still be taking a train from city to city and flying would only be for the richest. The solution is not more oil, the solution is to find alternatives.

Ralph, he's off topic! this post reads like a trailer for Al Gores phoney movie.

 

[Hopeful]

Guess I'm going to the water cooler.

I agree that there is no energy shortage-only a shortage of viable options for energy.

If there was a shortage we would see gas stations with signs out front saying "CLOSED -OUT OF GAS" like we did in "74".

Not only are just about all automobiles powered by oil but a lot of homes are heated by it and 70% of our electricity is also produced from fossil fuel.

Oil has a near monopoly on energy and thats why we are paying $4 a gallon and going up -BECAUSE THEY CAN.

Lets say they do indeed get enough oil out of Alaska to supply the US for the next 200 years like Lindsey Williams says, so what?, That doesnt mean the price would come down unless the few oil companies we have left(since the government has allowed the industry to consolidate) decided to have a price war.

The fact is oil was very cheap up until Bush invaded Iraq, partly because Saddam Hussain, who sat on the second largest known reserves, was 'illegally"(in violation of UN sanctions) dumping oil onto the market. Other oil producers kept their price low to deny Iraq the ability to sell even more oil.

President Bush has said very few things that have merit, but when he said we were addicted to oil he was correct. Carter saw that 28 years ago and wanted to break us from that addiction.PVs have been around a long time. PVs were used to power skylab in the 70s. Everyday the sun rises and dumps all this free energy on us but we have failed to capitalize on it due to the convienence and affordability of oil. We still produce 70% of our electricilty with fossil fuel! Look at how people burned wood, then coal before they developed oil. Its time to move on to other sources. Solar cells can be made from silicon-the second most prevent element on earth. The same stuff used to make computers-look how mass production had made computers cheap, there is a lot more involved in making the PC you are sitting in front of than a solar covered roof. We have not progressed as we should and had we followed Carters lead, and spent the 80s and 90s developing alternate sources the oil companies and OPEC would not have us in the bind we are in. Sure they could try and charge $4 a gallon, but we would have other options.

Our dependance on burning oil presents other problems as well, we are taking carbon and other pollutants from underground where God put it and putting it in the air resulting in climate change and pollution. As the rest of the earths population becomes as energy thirsty as we are through the expanded use of automobiles and electrical appliances the amount of carbon emissions and polutants will increase, possibly to catastrophic levels. We (the US) prohibit the developement of Nuclear facilities not only within our borders but in other countries as well. Leaving poorer counties with few alternatives other than becoming oil addicts like us.

Imagine if we had made the investment on alternate energy, not only could we turn our backs on the Mid-east and let them sort things out themselves (thus not being the target of Mulsim radicals) but we could sell the technology we develop and be more of what we once were-and exporter. Only instead of exporting products made from finite raw materials we would be exporting limitless technology.

If the Railroads had as much influence on our government as the oil companies have on it today we would still be taking a train from city to city and flying would only be for the richest. The solution is not more oil, the solution is to find alternatives.

The thing to remember is that ANY solution, be it drilling or alternative fuels will take many years to reach the market...So why not do both? Other nations are beginning to drill off our shore and we sit here and wait and watch.

The earth has gone through so much since it became an orb, and we are afraid to drill a few more holes into the ground.

We were in a rush to produce ethanol as a bio-fuel and we all know how that is turning out.

We have been hearing about how we need to get of foreign oil yet we are sitting on some decent reserves here. You cannot get off of oil wherever it is pumped from for many decades to come.

 

[TWU informer]

What about someone defending the TWU Working Together or at least commenting on what the thread was about to begin with?

Any opinions on what we have gained by the TWU Working Together adventure?

 

[The Goose]

What about someone defending the TWU Working Together or at least commenting on what the thread was about to begin with?

Any opinions on what we have gained by the TWU Working Together adventure?

There's not much more that can be said about 'working together' - what a load of crap!

All we can do from now on is have a whine-fest or plan ways to throw a wrench into the works (which probably wouldn't go over very well with the board-keepers).

People had an opportunity to be "special" and "make a difference". Those mantras are similar to that of other groups that are still around hoping for some recognition.

All the different committees add to the 'snob appeal', that is, "how many can I get on?" and not do a bit of work?

For a group of people that are supposedly somewhat educated, it didn't take very long for them to begin working for their "captors", so to speak. I'd damned sure hate to be in combat with these twits and be taken prisoner.