Twu Support?

[Buck]

What are the reasons to continue to support the TWU?

 

[Steve Connell]

Buck...the best reason I can suggest to you sir is to empower your local. It is real easy to sit in front of a PC, use an alias, and criticize those that take that step forward and represent you. If you for an instant think that AMFA would be your answer to recession and strife then might I suggest you do require your rep to take the unpopular approach to your survival....I have yet to find any reps that are in my local that I would want to change for ineptness or lack of duty...it's called unionism...you stand behind your local when times are not so simple...you give support to your international when it is not the popular route to take. Unionism...you can stay home without it...ask the majority of AMFA repped bases.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Steve, I agree with your point about supporting your union. But, what do you do when your union does not support you? I have NO problem with my Local here in SAN. My problem is with the international of whom I did not vote for any position being held there. To continue to support the twu international will do NOTHING but harm my profession further.

 

[Checking it Out]

Kem wrote;

Steve, I agree with your point about supporting your union. But, what do you do when your union does not support you? I have NO problem with my Local here in SAN. My problem is with the international of whom I did not vote for any position being held there. To continue to support the twu international will do NOTHING but harm my profession further. en wrote;

Ken supporting your union takes guts and being positive, you as a C/C have that power, Instead you choose to support an organization that believes in their own self interest, even you have followed blindly, Your the one who has taken money from Delle, over a thousand dollars in exchange he bought you and was successful at making a joke out of the Charles Taylor Award. If I pay you, will you do the samething? or do I have to not be a mechanic for 37 years to be eligible?

See Ken in order for Unions to work you have to be dedicated and have morals.

 

[Steve Connell]

Ken..since I have total confidence in my local I have honestly never thought about the International...nor do I care...I have met most of the International I believe and have also found them to be quite efficient and dedicated, but to be honest..I worry about my local...my pres and e-board and what adversity they face and how I might make their job easier through my involvement. I walk the floor and attempt to get more participation at our meetings....I believe we either go by the constitution of the TWU or not...but manipulating the wording or stating "my members want me to promote AMFA" is shallow and no excuse. I can go back through this BB's pages and see about 4 topics repeated over and over by the same 3 or 4 persons...Change requires forward momentum..nothing gained in setting in mud and spinning...If your local is weak improve it..if you were currently AMFA you would have the same C/O's and such supporting their union and the same wanting another union due to ineptness of some kind...it is so easy to blame others while sitting...just a thought...not an accusation.

 

[AMFAMAN]

See Ken in order for Unions to work you have to be dedicated and have morals.

HA HA, The twu talking about morals when they (Kirk, Steve, and the Tulsa E-board) continue to lie at all cost to save their sorry ass company-union. Talk about morals when your ratting people out to management left and right. There are no morals within the twu. :down:

 

[Buck]

Steve, I see that you have really discovered the difference. Total confidence in your local. That is just great. That is exactly what is lacking in TUL.

On another note TWU Local 514, ( what is left of it) is out for themselves alone. If it came down to an issue concerning MCI for example, Local 514 would forget about the integrity of unionism you so proudly speak of.

 

[AMFAMAN]

I have met most of the International I believe and have also found them to be quite efficient and dedicated,

Looks like bootlicker Steve never met a twu stoolie he didn't like. Keep up the comments, they give us more cards everyday Steve. KC will be AMFA, were not afraid of you Steve. :bleh: :bleh: :bleh:

 

[Steve Connell]

AMFAMAN...by your own statements you prove you are afraid of me..and why I do not know. You accused me of lying..of what? You sir are my best argument against AMFA. Ratting people out to management? Do you know something I don't or are you throwing accusations due to lack of anything intelligent to discuss.

I believe I was the one in Dock 8 that asked management to call our furloughed brothers to fill their requested overtime slots for this weekend. Did you notice your AMFA organizer placing his name on the list? He did. Only a union man when it's convienant to be and forget about others. When management bought pizza it was I that asked them to trade a couple of slices for a week's vacation back...haven't heard any disgust come from your lips at work...or are you also busy working overtime?

Now please tell me what lies I have stated and who have I ratted.

 

[AMFAMAN]

Ratting people out to management? Do you know something I don't or are you throwing accusations due to lack of anything intelligent to discuss.

Steve,

If you read the comment about ratting people out again, it was about CIO. I have heard the tapes of Ratfest in Tulsa and CIO has alot of nerve talking about morals. I have already commented about the rest of your post elsewhere.

 

[Steve Connell]

Because I met with the International members and found them to be adequate I am now a "bootlicker"? Let me suggest this AMFABOY..that you are and will continue to be my best ally in keeping MCI AMFA free.

 

[Thomas Paine]

Because I met with the International members and found them to be adequate I am now a "bootlicker"? Let me suggest this AMFABOY..that you are and will continue to be my best ally in keeping MCI AMFA free.

Steve or AMFAMAN;

Why are there are 35 vacancies in MCI?

Is this due to attrition or new work?

The vacancies on the line stations are from retirements and resignations. So far we have had 5 guys at JFK, all with considerable time-one with 15 years- quit.

I see that STL is getting hit hard, not as hard as they said at first but still its a big hit. Its ironic how the company keeps trying to get its line guys to compete for work while punishing the best performing station in the system.

As far as MCI being AMFA free, the card count for MCI shows 260. Thats not a whole lot but its still 260. With the STL guys bumping in its likely that AMFAMAN will be getting a little more support and with the "Stand in Stead" older guys such as yourself who are afraid of change, will be going down in numbers. It would be false to claim that the 1000 guys who have not signed yet are TWU supporters, most probably have no interest either way, after all isnt Missouri a RTW state? How many of those 1000 could you honestly say are "TWU supporters"?

 

[Steve Connell]

I believe, without checking for sure, it is due to recent retirements and resignations, this information could be wrong, I'll check today and see what I can find out. THis company has a history , it seems, for competing for work....we are told that TUL and Alliance will get our work if performance falls and I'm sure they threaten the others the same...this will have to be dealt with in the future somehow between the bases. We cannot work in an enviroment full of managemental threats.

Your opinion of the reaction to the "Stand in Stead" could be true or not. I personally will not leave at age 49. And the fact that some members do not care one way or another is a fact, but at all bases this exists...and imagine...push a vote on unions...do not satisfy the 50% plus 1 vote count and then we have your AMFA organizers to thank for a non-union workplace...or will that also be a TWU fault?

I believe Kansas was or is a right to work state, but unless something has changed in Missouri, which is possible as I am not current on that, Missouri was not last I knew.

 

[Bob Owens]

And the fact that some members do not care one way or another is a fact, but at all bases this exists...and imagine...push a vote on unions...do not satisfy the 50% plus 1 vote count and then we have your AMFA organizers to thank for a non-union workplace...or will that also be a TWU fault?

I suppose that the TWU guys would argue that it was AMFAs fault and the AMFA guys would claim it was the TWUs fault.

Both arguements would have merit but such a poor showing concerning representation would really be more the incumbant unions fault because it would mean that they had done such a lousy job that the majority was turned off unionism entirely. The AMFA vote could only be blamed for exposing the truth. If that was the result then we get what we deserve.


Missouri is not RTW.

 

[Rusty]

Originally posted by CIO
Ken supporting your union takes guts and being positive, you as a C/C have that power, Instead you choose to support an organization that believes in their own self interest, even you have followed blindly, Your the one who has taken money from Delle, over a thousand dollars in exchange he bought you and was successful at making a joke out of the Charles Taylor Award. If I pay you, will you do the samething? or do I have to not be a mechanic for 37 years to be eligible?

CIO, you are an absolute dick-head. The lies and bullshit you try to promote will catch up to you one day!!! Ken has promoted our craft and class more than you ever thought about. People everday see you for who you are, and what you are, don't think they don't. ASSWIPE!!!