TWU says the Teamsters are Telling Lies

[Tex-Mech]

Okay...here you go. As you will see that it was a merger, and we all know the rules for mergers by now. Allegheny contract was signed in 2001, and was coming amendable anyway. Kind of scary that we would have to pay $400 more a year in dues to a union that doesn't know the basics of NMB rules or their own contracts. Considering, of course that you're not lying. :wacko:



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It's been rather quiet by the $400 more a year Teamster fans since I made this post. Are you guys running back to your organizers for a new spin on the subject?

 

[Anomaly]

Glad to see you finally have come around and agree that the IBT are a bunch of liars.

The sooner you realize that everytime there is a bad contract in this country, you can't just dump your union and get a new contract, the sooner you will come to erms with the lies of the Teamsters. There would be hundreds of union elections everyday if that was the case.

Are there lies worth $400 more a year in dues?

Why can't you tex?

 

[Tex-Mech]

Why can't you tex?

Have you actually read any of your own material? All of it is based on merged airline agreements.

 

[Anomaly]

I remember NWA. I went on strike only to watch people like you cross the picket line to perform struck work. They were represented by the IAMAW (same as TWU IMHO).

I made the ultimate sacrifice so worthless pos's like you could vote for more profession devastating concessions.

You should hang your head in shame.

Don't forget you watched your OWN amfa members cross that picket line too !!

And what is this about the ultimate sacrifice for the rest of us? You followed some maniac real estate salesman out the door. You didn't fight any wars for us. Come on.....

Your union stupidly decided to walk out on their own absolutely sure that by themselves they could cripple NWA forever. You did not even get the final choice on the matter. The poor decisions by amfa will haunt the rest of us for years. Your sacrifice, began when you voted for these guys and their circus act Seeham Attorneys.

Seriously dude, your unions stupidity HURT the rest of us. It gave the companies a playbook to complete against us in the future. Thanks to the ill fated strike at NWA, all airline corporations know exactly how to treat striking mechanics.

I'm not saying that what you did was bad. NWA management absolutely sucked. All the employee groups knew this and were trying to fight them together. But the associations go it alone with no planning or preparation approach was just stupid.

Next time, don't do us any favors.

 

[Anomaly]

Have you actually read any of your own material? All of it is based on merged airline agreements.

No it's not. Read it again. Carefully this time.

 

[Tex-Mech]

No it's not. Read it again. Carefully this time.

I read the cases, and NMB rules--not the Teamsters spin.

 

[Anomaly]

There is only one Mechanics Union = amfa LIARS!!!

amfa joins with the TWU to spread lies about the IBT.
AMFA/TWU are now doing a pajama party.

Seems to be the plan

 

[700UW]

And Champion Air flew replacement flights for NW during the strike, and guess what union represents the pilots at Champion?

That would be the IBT!

 

[TWU informer]

And Champion Air flew replacement flights for NW during the strike, and guess what union represents the pilots at Champion?

That would be the IBT!

BINGO!

 

[Anomaly]

I read the cases, and NMB rules--not the Teamsters spin.

Then as a law student, you should realize that federal rules and policies are subject to question. Let's try it the other way. Why don't you show me a concrete precedent setting case which prohibits a newly elected union, (such as the subject we are speaking of now - TWU replaced by IBT, or any other) from entering into section 6 bargaining after replacing the former body. I am not talking about an NMB annual report, I am talking about a documented court case challenging this theory and loosing.

I have not seen one, but I a not an attorney either. Apparently, the IBT does not think such a document exists either or they would not be exposing themselves libelously to such a bold statement.

Simply put, the IBT OBVIOUSLY believes they can get past this NMB ruling. Unless you find otherwise, I am inclined to believe them.

Let me know what you find, and if I am PROVEN wrong and the Teamsters have NO CHANCE at re-opening before the amendable date, as you state, I'll drop away from this board permanently and you will all have the pleasure of proving me wrong.

 

[Anomaly]

BINGO!

Informer, you seem to be having an avatar identity crisis. Can't decide who you want to focus your anger at?

 

[TWU informer]

Then as a law student, you should realize that federal rules and policies are subject to question. Let's try it the other way. Why don't you show me a concrete precedent setting case which prohibits a newly elected union, (such as the subject we are speaking of now - TWU replaced by IBT, or any other) from entering into section 6 bargaining after replacing the former body. I am not talking about an NMB annual report, I am talking about a documented court case challenging this theory and loosing.

I have not seen one, but I a not an attorney either. Apparently, the IBT does not think such a document exists either or they would not be exposing themselves libelously to such a bold statement.

Simply put, the IBT OBVIOUSLY believes they can get past this NMB ruling. Unless you find otherwise, I am inclined to believe them.

Let me know what you find, and if I am PROVEN wrong and the Teamsters have NO CHANCE at re-opening before the amendable date, as you state, I'll drop away from this board permanently and you will all have the pleasure of proving me wrong.

Shouldn't it be the other way?

I mean you are the one using the claim to organize, shouldn't you be showing the CASE LAW that supports your claim?

If the IBT has proof then it would be in public view by now.

There is difference between "newly elected" union, and an incumbent union replaced by a chalenge.
The main difference in with the challenge election there is a labor agreement in place that is between the EMPLOYEES and the CARRIER, not the Union and the Carrier.

I am not willing to buy into a BS lie and join the Teamsters only to have leave this board and we prove you wrong. The RISK is not worth the REWARD.

Pack your briefcase full of lies go prove your BS on someone elses backs not ours.

WE have been Test Specimens in this industry for years with the TWU, we are not going to do that any longer. If true then the NMB would be flooded with representation disputes as everyone would want to negotiate on a regular basis. The Railway Labor Actg is written to maintain status quo not create a merry-go-round of Union Changing to keep opening labor agreements.

 

[riceweevil]

Might happen if the AMT's in TULE that support the Teamsters remain against giving the Line AMT the Union they want and deserve.

Why is that the TULE is always zigging when the line AMT is zagging?

You can call any line station or use your flight benefits and find the truth. The LINE AMT's want AMFA and you are one of the obstacles that have slowed that from happening. We will soon get our way regardless of your stubborn, bury the head in sand mentality, but if not for you and your zigging friends, we would already be getting the NMB ballot to remove the TWU.

Why not try embracing the Line AMT, giving them their union of choice, and then try to mend the hard feelings that have been created by the TWU? I would suggest that path, or whenever the next contract ratfication comes, those line AMT's will be the majority, and they will exact 30 years of revenge on TULE in one vote.

I do appreciate your sincerity in your support for amfa but the IBT is not stopping anyone from collecting cards. Numerous people that I have contact with at TULE have filled out both cards so IBT is not slowing down anybody.People will fill out a card for whom ever they wish and that's the way it should be.
Unfortunately, the vote proves that there is MAJOR seperation between TULE and the Line Stations ALREADY. If all the Line mechanics are for amfa as you state and you add the amfa supporters at TULE it should be easy for you to get the required cards for an election. [I base this last statement on the voting results for LBO 2.0]

 

[TWU informer]

I do appreciate your sincerity in your support for amfa but the IBT is not stopping anyone from collecting cards. Numerous people that I have contact with at TULE have filled out both cards so IBT is not slowing down anybody.People will fill out a card for whom ever they wish and that's the way it should be.
Unfortunately, the vote proves that there is MAJOR seperation between TULE and the Line Stations ALREADY. If all the Line mechanics are for amfa as you state and you add the amfa supporters at TULE it should be easy for you to get the required cards for an election. [I base this last statement on the voting results for LBO 2.0]

We are almost there. My point was we would already have this done, and we would be on our way to reconciliation instead of bickering on this board.

 

[Tex-Mech]

Then as a law student, you should realize that federal rules and policies are subject to question. Let's try it the other way. Why don't you show me a concrete precedent setting case which prohibits a newly elected union, (such as the subject we are speaking of now - TWU replaced by IBT, or any other) from entering into section 6 bargaining after replacing the former body. I am not talking about an NMB annual report, I am talking about a documented court case challenging this theory and loosing.

I have not seen one, but I a not an attorney either. Apparently, the IBT does not think such a document exists either or they would not be exposing themselves libelously to such a bold statement.

Simply put, the IBT OBVIOUSLY believes they can get past this NMB ruling. Unless you find otherwise, I am inclined to believe them.

Let me know what you find, and if I am PROVEN wrong and the Teamsters have NO CHANCE at re-opening before the amendable date, as you state, I'll drop away from this board permanently and you will all have the pleasure of proving me wrong.

Sure thing...Let me dig into westlaw and get back to you.