TWU/IAM Association Poll

[swamt]

 
In October you said they would square things out and still meet in mid November. Then it was after the Thanksgiving holidays...Now we're in December going into January and the time line has shifted into mid-January.
 
You know what all that means? We wasted October, November, December and half of January talking about a singed agreement from May 2013. There should be not higher priority than to get ready for negotiations.....Nothing.

I agree with your post 100%  Priority #1.  The sad part is that it IS NOT priority #1 for the association.  Kepping the TWU and /or the IAM is their priority #1 therefore they are hurting the membership once again for there very own gains and stabbing the membership in the back and twisting it around and around.  When will you guys ever get a clue and fire these two groups from the airline mechanics groups, they do NOTHING for our class and craft, matter fact, they are stead fastly killing it...

 

[WeAAsles]

I agree with your post 100%  Priority #1.  The sad part is that it IS NOT priority #1 for the association.  Kepping the TWU and /or the IAM is their priority #1 therefore they are hurting the membership once again for there very own gains and stabbing the membership in the back and twisting it around and around.  When will you guys ever get a clue and fire these two groups from the airline mechanics groups, they do NOTHING for our class and craft, matter fact, they are stead fastly killing it...

Teamsters? Screen Actors Guild?

 

[MetalMover]

You know why. I asked you to do something nicely and you decided you'd prefer not to so. It's that simple brother. 

I do not have any inside scoop on how many cards are signed. Just like you have no inside information on how good the alliance is going to be for you.

 

[WeAAsles]

I do not have any inside scoop on how many cards are signed. Just like you have no inside information on how good the alliance is going to be for you.

This is a good comment. Time will tell for both? But I'm ok with giving something different a shot.

 

[MetalMover]

This is a good comment. Time will tell for both? But I'm ok with giving something different a shot.

Why is that? Wouldn't you want the TWU alone over the alliance? 
Two unions with different philosophies are only out to preserve union dues. bothe the TWU and the IAM have proved in time and time again.

 

[NYer]

Why is that? Wouldn't you want the TWU alone over the alliance? 
Two unions with different philosophies are only out to preserve union dues. bothe the TWU and the IAM have proved in time and time again.

 
Yeah! Because the IAM Members and their concerns don't matter. All that seems to matter is having the TWU, which you don't want, take over the entire enchilada. Then we have to put up with the rants about getting rid of the TWU by the same folks that are now trying to make that their preferred choice. =/
 
Makes perfect sense.....SMHS

 

[MetalMover]

 
Yeah! Because the IAM Members and their concerns don't matter. All that seems to matter is having the TWU, which you don't want, take over the entire enchilada. Then we have to put up with the rants about getting rid of the TWU by the same folks that are now trying to make that their preferred choice. =/
 
Makes perfect sense.....SMHS

 

 
Yeah! Because the IAM Members and their concerns don't matter. All that seems to matter is having the TWU, which you don't want, take over the entire enchilada. Then we have to put up with the rants about getting rid of the TWU by the same folks that are now trying to make that their preferred choice. =/
 
Makes perfect sense.....SMHS

Well guess what? the IAM's concerns are going to be YOUR problem when they start butting heads with  the TWU to see what stays and what goes contractually.

 

[NYer]

 
Well guess what? the IAM's concerns are going to be YOUR problem when they start butting heads with  the TWU to see what stays and what goes contractually.

 
Like that doesn't happen without the IAM? There has been "butting heads" over here for decades. May I remind you that they are now colleagues and co-workers, so their concerns should be our concerns, right?

 

[MetalMover]

 
Like that doesn't happen without the IAM? There has been "butting heads" over here for decades. May I remind you that they are now colleagues and co-workers, so their concerns should be our concerns, right?

Didn't you just post the IAM and their concerns DON'T matter? Do you realize mergers bring nothing but animosity and bad blood between workers of both companies. Not sure if you work with any ex TWAers, but there is ALWAYS that dislike and mistrust on both sides. As the US guys how they and the Piedmont people feel towards each other nearly 20 years later?
Delta and PAN AM? Delta and NWA scabs?  NWA and Republic?
Do you really believe this is going to be a love fest? 
Do you realize this "butting of heads" will ensure that the JCBA gets dragged out months maybe years? 
Just look at UA and CO.......6 years and no contract? AND WITH THE SAME UNION?

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

 
You haven't failed, you just don't have the support you believe you have.

 
NYer
 
Not getting the cards is a failure in my mind, not mine but all the maintenance dept.
Utility/auto/facilities/aircraft/etc...
 
I have traveled around the system to different line stations, and the line guys always supported this card drive our problem is and always has been Tulsa. We had a better chance last yr but with the IBt getting involved it derailed that. But we can thank the TWU since they admitted they brought the IBT in to do what they did. Now we have the IAM and they have been lied to by the IAM about the pension they cherish. I get that. So getting cards from them in large enough numbers was hard.
 
Do I believe we the Organizers did a good enough job to get the word out and collect enough cards "NO"
 
We Don't have the Cards. If you want the correct numbers you will have to contact the Lead Organizers in DFW. Contact them ask what the card count is how far away and what the plan is going forward. They have been quiet since Sept. So has AMFA Natl.
 
NYer it shouldn't make any difference to you anyway, since I think you are not part of Maintenance. 

 

[MetalMover]

 
NYer
 
Not getting the cards is a failure in my mind, not mine but all the maintenance dept.
Utility/auto/facilities/aircraft/etc...
 
I have traveled around the system to different line stations, and the line guys always supported this card drive our problem is and always has been Tulsa. We had a better chance last yr but with the IBt getting involved it derailed that. But we can thank the TWU since they admitted they brought the IBT in to do what they did. Now we have the IAM and they have been lied to by the IAM about the pension they cherish. I get that. So getting cards from them in large enough numbers was hard.
 
Do I believe we the Organizers did a good enough job to get the word out and collect enough cards "NO"
 
We Don't have the Cards. If you want the correct numbers you will have to contact the Lead Organizers in DFW. Contact them ask what the card count is how far away and what the plan is going forward. They have been quiet since Sept. So has AMFA Natl.
 
NYer it shouldn't make any difference to you anyway, since I think you are not part of Maintenance. 

NYer, weAAsle and now PSA troll are obsessed with whether or not we get AMFA.....
 
What they may be disappointed to hear that we will keep trying to get AMFA and rid ourselves of the the TWU. Because once SOC is here, between the US people's dislike for the IAM added to the LAA people's dislike for the TWU, it will eventually happen.

 

[NYer]

Didn't you just post the IAM and their concerns DON'T matter? Do you realize mergers bring nothing but animosity and bad blood between workers of both companies. --And a vote brings harmony? Or expecting the IAM to cede to the TWU is not going to bring animosity? You guys should think your position before coming out with a convoluted stance.
 
Not sure if you work with any ex TWAers, but there is ALWAYS that dislike and mistrust on both sides. --I do work next to TWA folks and they're upset because they feel they were wronged. They've carried that torch for the last 13 years. Your solution is to create more of that but not allowing the IAM Members an ability to have a voice of their own.
 
As the US guys how they and the Piedmont people feel towards each other nearly 20 years later?
Delta and PAN AM? Delta and NWA scabs?  NWA and Republic?
 
Do you really believe this is going to be a love fest? --Not by any stretch, many TWU Members can't get along with people they've worked with for the last 20+ years. The Association allows the majority of those IAM Members the ability to keep what they're familiar with representation wise and that will certainly help in making the work environment better for both sides.
 
Do you realize this "butting of heads" will ensure that the JCBA gets dragged out months maybe years? --Do you realize we can take care of negotiations dragging for years without the assistance of anyone else. That's not really a good point, Metal, it's not like we have swift negotiations. To the contrary....they Draaaaaaaaag.
 
Just look at UA and CO.......6 years and no contract? AND WITH THE SAME UNION? Your point? Do you believe it is better for the TWU to control the entire negotiation? Does that mean the IAM concerns will be brushed off in the same manner as the OH concerns?

 

[NYer]

 
NYer
 
Not getting the cards is a failure in my mind, not mine but all the maintenance dept.
Utility/auto/facilities/aircraft/etc...
 
I have traveled around the system to different line stations, and the line guys always supported this card drive our problem is and always has been Tulsa. We had a better chance last yr but with the IBt getting involved it derailed that. But we can thank the TWU since they admitted they brought the IBT in to do what they did. Now we have the IAM and they have been lied to by the IAM about the pension they cherish. I get that. So getting cards from them in large enough numbers was hard.
 
Do I believe we the Organizers did a good enough job to get the word out and collect enough cards "NO"
 
We Don't have the Cards. If you want the correct numbers you will have to contact the Lead Organizers in DFW. Contact them ask what the card count is how far away and what the plan is going forward. They have been quiet since Sept. So has AMFA Natl.
 
NYer it shouldn't make any difference to you anyway, since I think you are not part of Maintenance. 

 
If you want the top of the industry pay, shouldn't you be courting the IBT, instead of AMFA?

 

[NYer]

NYer, weAAsle and now PSA troll are obsessed with whether or not we get AMFA.....
 
What they may be disappointed to hear that we will keep trying to get AMFA and rid ourselves of the the TWU. Because once SOC is here, between the US people's dislike for the IAM added to the LAA people's dislike for the TWU, it will eventually happen.

 
I'm not obsessed, it's everyone's right to seek something they believe is better. If anything, Metal, I've been encouraging the AMFA supporters to get cracking with those cards. When the NMB comes out with the Association there is a 30 day window to submit cards and bring another choice onto the ballot. If that is what you want, then you should be working towards it and not just complaining things aren't going your way.
 
The submission to the NMB was made in August, so I sure hope you guys have been sitting idle when you have this great opportunity to get your choice included.

 

[MetalMover]

 

Didn't you just post the IAM and their concerns DON'T matter? Do you realize mergers bring nothing but animosity and bad blood between workers of both companies. --And a vote brings harmony? Or expecting the IAM to cede to the TWU is not going to bring animosity? You guys should think your position before coming out with a convoluted stance.
 
Not sure if you work with any ex TWAers, but there is ALWAYS that dislike and mistrust on both sides. --I do work next to TWA folks and they're upset because they feel they were wronged. They've carried that torch for the last 13 years. Your solution is to create more of that but not allowing the IAM Members an ability to have a voice of their own.
 
As the US guys how they and the Piedmont people feel towards each other nearly 20 years later?
Delta and PAN AM? Delta and NWA scabs?  NWA and Republic?
 
Do you really believe this is going to be a love fest? --Not by any stretch, many TWU Members can't get along with people they've worked with for the last 20+ years. The Association allows the majority of those IAM Members the ability to keep what they're familiar with representation wise and that will certainly help in making the work environment better for both sides.
 
Do you realize this "butting of heads" will ensure that the JCBA gets dragged out months maybe years? --Do you realize we can take care of negotiations dragging for years without the assistance of anyone else. That's not really a good point, Metal, it's not like we have swift negotiations. To the contrary....they Draaaaaaaaag.
 
Just look at UA and CO.......6 years and no contract? AND WITH THE SAME UNION? Your point? Do you believe it is better for the TWU to control the entire negotiation? Does that mean the IAM concerns will be brushed off in the same manner as the OH concerns?

 

I am against the alliance..Plain and simple.. Have an election between the TWU and the IAM...that is what SHOULD be happening.and...guess what? The majority TWU membership will prevail.
I do not want the alliance.