TWU/IAM Association Negotiations for Fleet Service and M&R Are Delayed For Extension Talks

[WeAAsles]

yeah, it's a no-brainer for those maxed-out. some peers of mine are grumbling a bit about no signing bonus. we (me included) never got the memo that today's signing bonus is a distorted quasi yesterday's retro pay. i got the memo here, so, i'm not too disappointed.

example - the ticket agents. if they got a $3/hr raise on DOS and worked 8,000 hours between 2020-2024: $200 per year of service signing bonus does not equal $24,000 retro pay. another piece of math that only works for the powers that be....but, i digress...

overall, i'd be leery of the next contract. i got it wrong in 2016. when parker bumped us up - with no obligation; $4/hr to match united, i felt the proof was in the pudding that an industry-leading contract was right down the road. 4 years later, we got that contract. not very expedient at all.

i'm looking to leave and the timing seems right, but this is a different era. no retro does not incentivize the company to negotiate in a timely manner. until then, we'll watch united and delta make moves to keep up.

With that 2027 raise I’m going to be over the 100K mark without OT in wages/Holidays/retirement contributions. The way the Company is headed if it keeps up I may actually be enticed to go past my planned retirement date (2030)

Truth is I’m starting to actually wish people would start appreciating this and (gasp) actually thank the Company. I mean why the hell not? I’m getting sick of the miserables in my age range group now.

I get it the job can suck sometimes. Lot’s of work and weather. But this is at the point of being paid well now and I work to get paid.

The CWA is a weak Union. That’s just a fact. The Airlines is not where they belong.

Don’t be surprised to see a repeat of this economic extension the next time too. It’s quick and un-messy for the Company. Less headaches and maybe in time happier employees.

 

[WeAAsles]

no doubt. as a shareholder, i rate him an asset to the company.

can't and won't get into details, but this company needs more ralphs and less ambitious/incompetent levels in between the work and the top bosses.

i don't remember the twu's stance, but i believe the aa pilots and aa flight attendants unions went for parker's plan and leadership post-merger and rejected the legacy aa mngt.'s plan and leadership. if i remember correctly, legacy aa's plan was more RJ flying and hold steady mainline flying. i guess we got what we asked for - ramp ops-wise; dubious concepts like rovers and dynamic manning have to be lumped, since we (the unions) embraced legacy us air's post-merger plan.

TWU didn’t jump right in bed with Parker. They needed convincing from some economists first. They also didn’t go for that Interest Based Bargaining schtick that the other Unions fell for. I’m glad we got our long haul negotiations out of the way when we did. The other Groups had buyers remorse and I never had that. I like our Contract just as it is fine. It could be better sure but so can the World. 🌎

 

[WeAAsles]

Here the Maintenance Presidents mention the comparison to SWA but with some areas they will make more and also mentioning the multiple thousands more jobs in house.

 

[SWAMECH]

An AA Lead (CC) forwarded the twu video to me about their latest extension. He said it was the first time that they did use SWA wages as the main comparo. He said thx to us for having the industry leading wages that they could use. They matched all wages at SWA except for line as they added $1 line prem.
The twu just proved that AMFA @ SWA had the best in industry wages and even used AMFA's contract for the main comparo for the wages.
So for all you AMFA haters out here, you can now thank an AMFA/SWA mechanic for your new wages in the extension.
AMFA once "again" set the wage bar in the industry, you're welcome...
Congrats to all our fella mechanics at AA should you all decide to vote it in. Was hoping for you all to get 2-5% higher like AMFA did over the other airlines when they did our extension so we would have a better target next time too.
I have not verified any numbers as of yet-only going by what they all say in the video at this point...

 

[WeAAsles]

An AA Lead (CC) forwarded the twu video to me about their latest extension. He said it was the first time that they did use SWA wages as the main comparo. He said thx to us for having the industry leading wages that they could use. They matched all wages at SWA except for line as they added $1 line prem.
The twu just proved that AMFA @ SWA had the best in industry wages and even used AMFA's contract for the main comparo for the wages.
So for all you AMFA haters out here, you can now thank an AMFA/SWA mechanic for your new wages in the extension.
AMFA once "again" set the wage bar in the industry, you're welcome...
Congrats to all our fella mechanics at AA should you all decide to vote it in. Was hoping for you all to get 2-5% higher like AMFA did over the other airlines when they did our extension so we would have a better target next time too.
I have not verified any numbers as of yet-only going by what they all say in the video at this point...

You can only comment on my post if you actually un-ignore me.

Anyway here’s a link to those wage charts for you.

TENTATIVE AGREEMENT REACHED FOR CONTRACT EXTENSION FOR TWU-IAM ASSOCIATION MEMBERS AT AMERICAN AIRLINES - District 142

All Association Members, Today, leaders from American Airlines, Inc. reached out to the Association leadership to discuss the possibility of exploring an economics only, short- term extension of existing JCBAs. American asked to schedule a meeting

atd142.org

 

[CorvetteMan]

An AA Lead (CC) forwarded the twu video to me about their latest extension. He said it was the first time that they did use SWA wages as the main comparo. He said thx to us for having the industry leading wages that they could use. They matched all wages at SWA except for line as they added $1 line prem.
The twu just proved that AMFA @ SWA had the best in industry wages and even used AMFA's contract for the main comparo for the wages.
So for all you AMFA haters out here, you can now thank an AMFA/SWA mechanic for your new wages in the extension.
AMFA once "again" set the wage bar in the industry, you're welcome...
Congrats to all our fella mechanics at AA should you all decide to vote it in. Was hoping for you all to get 2-5% higher like AMFA did over the other airlines when they did our extension so we would have a better target next time too.
I have not verified any numbers as of yet-only going by what they all say in the video at this point...

Compare scope lol.

We all know WN is at the bottom of scope aka work done in-house.

 

[Jalsporteam]

We all know Southwest sucks and is a cheap airline who treat their employees like crap and their customers like garbage. I bet their CEO flies on AA because he can't fathom the idea of flying on crap seats with cheap snacks instead of a real meal. He probably wipes his ass with southwest branded napkins.

I also bet their "SWA" industry leading contract exploits their own mechanics/ramps/ground workers to work for free. Furthermore any one of those imbeciles coming here would be fired.

Whether it be mid level management or rogue mechanics, anyone thinking they can interpret their own language is fired. Because here we got scope and you will be fired for making crap up, like you do at SW. And yeah they also fire idiots who make racist jokes or homophobic jokes like the Southwest "CULT"ure does on live ATC.

Quite simply, Southwest is a third rated airline who have no business operating domestically as an air carrier. The government wants this piss poor product off the market, investors want them gone, and anyone associated with that brand should really think hard about their long term career path. That is put that crappy airline on your resume and you wont be offered a job.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

We all know Southwest sucks and is a cheap airline who treat their employees like crap and their customers like garbage. I bet their CEO flies on AA because he can't fathom the idea of flying on crap seats with cheap snacks instead of a real meal. He probably wipes his ass with southwest branded napkins.

I also bet their "SWA" industry leading contract exploits their own mechanics/ramps/ground workers to work for free. Furthermore any one of those imbeciles coming here would be fired.

Whether it be mid level management or rogue mechanics, anyone thinking they can interpret their own language is fired. Because here we got scope and you will be fired for making crap up, like you do at SW. And yeah they also fire idiots who make racist jokes or homophobic jokes like the Southwest "CULT"ure does on live ATC.

Quite simply, Southwest is a third rated airline who have no business operating domestically as an air carrier. The government wants this piss poor product off the market, investors want them gone, and anyone associated with that brand should really think hard about their long term career path. That is put that crappy airline on your resume and you wont be offered a job.

This is almost as stupid as the previous post I read of yours.

And no thanks to AMFA cause no major Frontline work unions recognize this as a union.

As if AMFA or even the "Association" has anything to do with flight attendants.

If you are trying to convince everyone you are an idiot you are off to great start. You have convinced me already.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Kind of like the old saying, "once you go black, you aint going back."

Basically AMFA just bent over and gave management the lube, and say here you get to choose which ever holes (lines) you like

Yet another winning post from the village idiot.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Union violence in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The inherent aim of a union is to create a labor monopoly so as to balance the monopsony a large employer enjoys as a purchaser of labor.

One wonders how the employees of American Airlines can accomplish that having so many labor groups.

 

[CorvetteMan]

Union violence in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The inherent aim of a union is to create a labor monopoly so as to balance the monopsony a large employer enjoys as a purchaser of labor.

One wonders how the employees of American Airlines can accomplish that having so many labor groups.

Wiki?

Lol, not a credible source.

“. Joining together in unions enables workers to negotiate for higher wages and benefits and improve conditions in the workplace. ”

 

[CorvetteMan]

Union violence in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The inherent aim of a union is to create a labor monopoly so as to balance the monopsony a large employer enjoys as a purchaser of labor.

One wonders how the employees of American Airlines can accomplish that having so many labor groups.

Wiki?

Lol, not a credible source.

Why Are Unions Important In Modern Commercial Aviation?

The aviation industry wouldn't have been the same were it not for the unions that secured rights for airline workers during the pandemic.

simpleflying.com

 

[SWAMECH]

Yet another winning post from the village idiot.

There are a few of them, not sure why you waste time with them.

 

[WeAAsles]

There are a few of them, not sure why you waste time with them.

You were crowned King many years ago.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Wiki?

Lol, not a credible source.

“. Joining together in unions enables workers to negotiate for higher wages and benefits and improve conditions in the workplace. ”

G*dd*mn you're dumb.....

Seriously, everytime you post it is somehow more idiotic than the last time you posted.

First off, I was not submitting that as a quantifiable fact, but as an ideology.

Let me break down what "The inherent aim of a union is to create a labor monopoly so as to balance the monopsony a large employer enjoys as a purchaser of labor." means because obviously you are not able to comprehend it.

First let's define monopoly.

the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service.

Then let's define monopsony.

a market situation in which there is only one buyer.

The aim of a UNION is to acquire "monopoly control" over labor to use as leverage against the single buyer of the labor, the employer. That is where the power of negotiation COMES from.

The more labor breaks apart that "monopoly control" into separate UNION groups the less leverage they have over the employer because the employer can strike deals with multiple UNION groups instead of dealing with ONE unified group. It's far easier to force a contract settlement with UNION #5 if UNIONS 1-4 have already settled.

Do you understand now or do I have to break it down for you further and use more pretty colors.