TWU/IAM Association Negotiations for Fleet Service and M&R Are Delayed For Extension Talks

[usairways_vote_NO]

July 26, 2024

All Association Members,

Today, leaders from American Airlines, Inc. reached out to the Association leadership to discuss the possibility of exploring an economics only, short term extension of existing JCBAs.

American asked to schedule a meeting on August 26th to facilitate those discussions at AA HDQ. As previously announced, we currently have tentative dates for Section 6 contract negotiation openers for the Maintenance and Related, Maintenance Training Specialists, Maintenance Control Technicians, and Material Logistics Specialists groups on August 13th and Fleet Service on August 27th. Those Section 6 opener negotiation dates will need to be delayed based upon this request from the company.

After the discussions with American Airlines in late August, the Association leadership will communicate any proposed economics with the respective Contract Negotiating Committees. Based upon the outcome of the proposed economic discussions, the Association will take appropriate actions.

The Association will continue to collaborate with the respective Contract Negotiation Committees and will keep the membership informed of all progress as it unfolds.Thank you for your continued confidence and support

 

[SWAMECH]

July 26, 2024

All Association Members,

Today, leaders from American Airlines, Inc. reached out to the Association leadership to discuss the possibility of exploring an economics only, short term extension of existing JCBAs.

American asked to schedule a meeting on August 26th to facilitate those discussions at AA HDQ. As previously announced, we currently have tentative dates for Section 6 contract negotiation openers for the Maintenance and Related, Maintenance Training Specialists, Maintenance Control Technicians, and Material Logistics Specialists groups on August 13th and Fleet Service on August 27th. Those Section 6 opener negotiation dates will need to be delayed based upon this request from the company.

After the discussions with American Airlines in late August, the Association leadership will communicate any proposed economics with the respective Contract Negotiating Committees. Based upon the outcome of the proposed economic discussions, the Association will take appropriate actions.

The Association will continue to collaborate with the respective Contract Negotiation Committees and will keep the membership informed of all progress as it unfolds.Thank you for your continued confidence and support

In hopes you guys are successful in getting an extension. Extensions are always a win-win as long as there is no low-balling going on. Leave contract language as is and just get some sort of economic boost to keep this flowing smoothly.
I am a bit suspicious on why AA has chosen this move over the full CBA opener. I hope they don't come to the extension talks with low-ball offers. They could be be trying to avoid a full inflation or true COLA raise offer. Time will tell. I wish you guys the best and smooth nego. to a better pay increase well deserved by mechanics groups. Good luck to all and keep us posted. Ours will be up soon as well as a few others coming up in our industry.

 

[WeAAsles]

In hopes you guys are successful in getting an extension. Extensions are always a win-win as long as there is no low-balling going on. Leave contract language as is and just get some sort of economic boost to keep this flowing smoothly.
I am a bit suspicious on why AA has chosen this move over the full CBA opener. I hope they don't come to the extension talks with low-ball offers. They could be be trying to avoid a full inflation or true COLA raise offer. Time will tell. I wish you guys the best and smooth nego. to a better pay increase well deserved by mechanics groups. Good luck to all and keep us posted. Ours will be up soon as well as a few others coming up in our industry.

AMFA at SWA gave away work for Money. They couldn’t just negotiate a clean extension. LOA # 1

 

[Jalsporteam]

AMFA at SWA gave away work for Money. They couldn’t just negotiate a clean extension. LOA # 1

Kind of like the old saying, "once you go black, you aint going back."

Basically AMFA just bent over and gave management the lube, and say here you get to choose which ever holes (lines) you like

 

[WeAAsles]

Kind of like the old saying, "once you go black, you aint going back."

Basically AMFA just bent over and gave management the lube, and say here you get to choose which ever holes (lines) you like

And here’s the real kicker. AMFA (SSM&P) tries to raid the TWU/IAM Association claiming the Class and Craft model can yield better results for the “Mechanics” and yet with their “Me Too” clause they’re riding the coattails of their TWU (Catch all) Represented Rampers at SWA.

You really can’t make this **** up.

Hey AMFA, that “Other Unionized Workgroup” you’re referring to is the Transport Workers Union of America. Say it LOUD.

AMFA-SWA 401(k) Me-Too Provision Update #2

August 2, 2024 -- As referenced in a previous update, we met with the Company virtually on July 26 (and again on July 29) to negotiate regarding the 401(k) me-too provisions in our respective CBAs as related to improvements recognized by other unionized work groups on the property. We are...

www.amfanational.org

 

[Jalsporteam]

The A is for Anti-Mechanics Fraud Association. A representation of how to outsource your jobs and make you work for less. They are in bed with the company and members self elected themselves lol.

 

[WeAAsles]

Actually it’s a front for the Law firm more than anything else. SSM&P negotiated against SWA Management for 7 years and all they ultimately got out of it was the wages they could have gotten all along. But continuing on forever gave Seham the excuse to Bill (Bilk) the Mechanics for all that time.

And those AMFA “Leaders” are in on the scam. Yea Brett that means you.

The Company didn’t give a rats ass cause they kept all the interest for those 7 years.

 

[Jalsporteam]

Actually it’s a front for the Law firm more than anything else. SSM&P negotiated against SWA Management for 7 years and all they ultimately got out of it was the wages they could have gotten all along. But continuing on forever gave Seham the excuse to Bill (Bilk) the Mechanics for all that time.

And those AMFA “Leaders” are in on the scam. Yea Brett that means you.

The Company didn’t give a rats ass cause they kept all the interest for those 7 years.

Honestly they should of kicked AMFA for negotiating such a terrible deal for those 7 years, back pay and no interest. Good thing there wasn't inflation. Imagine their wages today if that was the case..

 

[CremaDiLimone]

can't comment on aircraft maintenance, but feel aa is compelled to do this with fleet service due to new-hire turnover rates. starting pay in the $16+/hr, just not good enough - as united is currently in the $19+/hr starting pay for ramp.

the 'fast-paced' extension tips the company's hand that normal negotiations would have taken years and the company can't wait that long to bump up the starting pay. wasting money on the hiring and training, only to see new-hires drop out just prior to/just after starting.

 

[Jalsporteam]

In today's volatile and dynamic economy, you need to add language and job scope to hours worked, inflation, and job protection.

Those are contract languages to keep long term employees from leaving to a better company.

However most companies now a days want to overload and overwork until you quit, so they can constantly reset the salary pay.

Good for share holders but not a good long term solution to specialized skilled labor.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

i don't argue any of that. i believe that in regards to fleet, the company has decided to throw some money and ignore freight/de-icing ops/catering/maybe even lavs scope for a few years to address the very high rate of attrition of ramp new hires. an 18% pay gap for new hires is too much. manpower shortage felt in my station.

kudos to united, they got their arms around this last year. aa was the most optimistic (correctly) airline during the height of covid, yet, they ran the airline allowing the amount and generosity of buy-outs as if they were the most pessimistic - now, not enough workers. as if, they didn't believe what they were claiming.

passenger service finally got a deal in jan. of 2024, looks like no buy-outs for them at all. short workers/can't keep new hires.

 

[WeAAsles]

i don't argue any of that. i believe that in regards to fleet, the company has decided to throw some money and ignore freight/de-icing ops/catering/maybe even lavs scope for a few years to address the very high rate of attrition of ramp new hires. an 18% pay gap for new hires is too much. manpower shortage felt in my station.

kudos to united, they got their arms around this last year. aa was the most optimistic (correctly) airline during the height of covid, yet, they ran the airline allowing the amount and generosity of buy-outs as if they were the most pessimistic - now, not enough workers. as if, they didn't believe what they were claiming.

passenger service finally got a deal in jan. of 2024, looks like no buy-outs for them at all. short workers/can't keep new hires.

Really not worried about them going after for real any of our current work. We held that line for the most part already in 2020 except for the deicing in DFW which wasn’t a massive operation anyway and I think the IAM sacrificed Catering to keep their medical plan costs.

BTW don’t listen to the rumors.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

yeah, heard a few rumors about the compensation. in one ear, out the other. really a tight spread...will likely be in the same neighborhood.

an industry leading 401k would be great, even greater for those just starting out...but, they have their eyes on wages.

passenger service got a nice bonus of $200/every full year of service. i don't expect that...though i believe united got $110/every full year of service as a reward for last year's extension. we'll see.

hope all is well and it's a race to the finish line. hopefully, oil stays low for the company and we can forge on.

 

[WeAAsles]

yeah, heard a few rumors about the compensation. in one ear, out the other. really a tight spread...will likely be in the same neighborhood.

an industry leading 401k would be great, even greater for those just starting out...but, they have their eyes on wages.

passenger service got a nice bonus of $200/every full year of service. i don't expect that...though i believe united got $110/every full year of service as a reward for last year's extension. we'll see.

hope all is well and it's a race to the finish line. hopefully, oil stays low for the company and we can forge on.

This came confirmed from the meeting in DFW. I don’t want to say anything about what the wages could or couldn’t be but it’s not hard to figure out knowing what Delta and SWA scales are. We already lead on the 401K. SWA has 10% but it’s all a match with no contribution. Delta is 4/5 where we are 5/4. UAL has a mix of the IAMPF for Co employees and a 401K that doesn’t look that good.

 

[WeAAsles]

Crema check this one out as well. This one also throws the rumors in the trash.