TWU and Teamsters are mirror images of each other.

[xUT]

The Teamsters did not get as big as they are by being that stupid.If what the IBT is stating as fact about re-opening contract for Title One and Two is false then they can be hammered in Court. They are not that stupid to "lie like that" and think they can get away with it.

You are funny. the ibt are where they are for 'exactly' relying on the 'membership' being stupid and not seeing through their half truths and outright lies.

The IBT is not being truthful, they cant force AA to open negotiations, go read the RLA, the only time Section 6 negotiations occur is 60 days prior to the amendable date.

Since you wont answer this question I am going to ask it again, at UA the IBT promised the same thing, how come it didnt happen and UA told the IBT to go pound sand?

ibt opened negotiations, UA said see you after the contract is amendable, EOS.
B) xUT

 

[riceweevil]

Show the board what they could be sued for?

AMFA has no standing in what the IBT promises.

And why couldnt they open the CBA at UA when they promised that too?

Show me how great amfa is whenever they have to negoiate another contract at SWA? SWA MXS better get ready because of the low standards set for AMT's by the recent AA contract. SWA management will be looking for concessions so they can compete with AA.The SWA management is not going to stand by and watch AA gain a huge advantage over them in labor cost by the C11 Process without taking action.amfa is getting ready to get their clock cleaned by SWA management.

 

[xUT]

"You should consider your own credibility when spreading IBT lies without checking for pretzel twisting of the legal facts.

You should not disregard the FACT that the IBT was under Federal Government over sight for years because of corruption and organized crime ties, before you claim they did not get as big as they are because they adhere to ethical and legal avenues."

Your postings on this thread proves you are a master of twisting facts. Typical political tricks of accusing your opponent of the very thing you are guilty of.
You are the last person qualified to lecture objectively about the IBT and their past history.I LIKE the fact they MIGHT still have ties to organized crime.
If their claim of re-opening the contract is not true why is it that no union including amfa has NOT sued the IBT in the Court of Law???????????

You can repeat 10k times about the IBT not being able to reopen the contract but still does not make it a fact.

Half truth. any union can open negotiations at any time but it is pretty much a one sided affair unless the company agrees.
How do you sue that?
I can open negotiations with my credit card provider at any time but when they tell me to pack sand, I have no recourse as I have a contract that I agreed to.
B) xUT

 

[700UW]

Keep avoiding answering the questions and deflecting.

The board members see right through you.

This isnt about AMFA or WN, its about your claim the IBT can force AA to open the CBA.

 

[riceweevil]

Why would a Union file a lawsuit against the ibt because you are gullible and ignorant? You are the one that should be sued, because you are the one miselading people into signing the cards to being with.

Be sure and tell the members you are asking to sign cards that you like the fact that organized crime might be circling around you union dues accounts. WOW, you are quite the specimen.

Can we have your identity and make you the poster child of the Teamsters along with RaptorMan49/TulsaMechanic9 ? The two of you kneeling to Anamoly would make a fine poster print.

All I'm doing is passing along the IBT fact sheet that is public record.
You were a loser in 2003 and its obvious you are still sore over that. amfa is no better in 2012 and still a loser at AA.

 

[riceweevil]

Half truth. any union can open negotiations at any time but it is pretty much a one sided affair unless the company agrees.
How do you sue that?
I can open negotiations with my credit card provider at any time but when they tell me to pack sand, I have no recourse as I have a contract that I agreed to.
B) xUT

The IBT did not agree to the contract that just passed.

 

[TWU informer]

All I'm doing is passing along the IBT fact sheet that is public record.
You were a loser in 2003 and its obvious you are still sore over that. amfa is no better in 2012 and still a loser at AA.

No, you and everyone else was the "loser" in 2003 and you should still be bitter about it just as I am, but you place blame in the wrong place to justify spoiling or slowing down what would have already created another filing and the election to get rid of the TWU.

 

[comatose]

Show me how great amfa is whenever they have to negoiate another contract at SWA? SWA MXS better get ready because of the low standards set for AMT's by the recent AA contract. SWA management will be looking for concessions so they can compete with AA.The SWA management is not going to stand by and watch AA gain a huge advantage over them in labor cost by the C11 Process without taking action.amfa is getting ready to get their clock cleaned by SWA management.

Would that be another dumbass reason to vote yes?

 

[xUT]

Show me how great amfa is whenever they have to negoiate another contract at SWA? SWA MXS better get ready because of the low standards set for AMT's by the recent AA contract. SWA management will be looking for concessions so they can compete with AA.The SWA management is not going to stand by and watch AA gain a huge advantage over them in labor cost by the C11 Process without taking action.amfa is getting ready to get their clock cleaned by SWA management.

Ahh yes, the Razzle Dazzle...

B) xUT

 

[xUT]

The IBT did not agree to the contract that just passed.

which one?

 

[riceweevil]

which one?

DA? the AA Contract for M&R.

 

[Birdman]

The IBT did not agree to the contract that just passed.

It's one thing to not agree to the contract and another to advocate a strong no position before the vote in order to oust the TWU and negotiate, something the IBT had no desire to do.

 

[riceweevil]

The law on this issue is clear. Under the Railway
Labor Act, after winning an election, a newly-certified
union such as the IBT can serve a Section 6 opener
and the Carrier is obligated to negotiate over the
terms of a new agreement. The starting point for such
negotiations is the existing rates of pay, rules and
working conditions of employees established by their
existing agreement. Further, a carrier may not refuse
to negotiate with a newly-certified union on the basis
that the employees it represents are already covered
by a collective bargaining agreement that was negotiated
by a previous union regardless of when the existing
agreement becomes amendable.



In Association of Flight Attendants (AFA) v. USAir, Inc.,
24 F.3d 1432 (D.C. Cir. 1995), the United States Court of
Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit described
a carrier’s duty to bargain after a change in representation.
It did so in addressing AFA’s effort to apply its
collective bargaining agreement with USAir to the
much smaller flight attendant work group employed
by Trump Shuttle and previously represented by TWU
following USAir’s assumption of managerial control of
the Shuttle. The Court of Appeals held that the status
quo applicable to the Shuttle employees (i.e., their existing
rates of pay, rules and working conditions) was
set by their existing collective bargaining agreement
negotiated by the TWU and that the status quo prevailed
until modified by an agreement between AFA
and the carrier.



To be clear, the Court of Appeals explained that a carrier
“cannot refuse to bargain over new terms based
on a claim that bargaining has been settled under the
pre-existing contract.” The Court continued, “Instead,
we hold that a newly-certified union in a situation such
as this one has full bargaining rights with respect to
covered employees without regard to whether the employees
previously have been covered by a collective
bargaining agreement.” The decision of the Court of
Appeals for the District of Columbia was bolstered by
its rejection of the notion that USAir or AFA were
bound by the collective bargaining agreement negotiated
by the TWU for the flight attendants employed by
the Trump Shuttle. The Court rejected that notion out
of hand, reasoning that “it is also clear that neither
USAir nor AFA is contractually bound by the Eastern-
TWU agreement, for these parties have not assented
to any of the terms of that agreement.” Additionally,
“The application of one union’s collective bargaining
agreement to another union’s members would create a
situation where those members would have, in effect,
two representatives. But, one could no more have two
exclusive representatives than – to use the old baseball
expression, – ‘two men on second base.’”



Therefore, while the IBT would inherit the existing
TWU/American contract as the status quo if the
American Mechanics and Related choose the IBT as
their representative, American is obliged to agree to
commence negotiations over intended changes in the
contract within 30 days of receiving notice of such
changes pursuant to Section 6 of the RLA, 45 U.S.C. §
156, even though a later amendable date appears in
the existing contract.
What A New Union Can Do
Is American Airlines Required to Bargain with a New Union
Over Changes to the Existing Mechanics’ Contract? Yes!
For more information, call the campaign hotline at 877-589-4951 or visit www.teamster.org/aamx
American Airlines is required by law to open up and
negotiate changes to the existing contract once the
Teamsters win the representational election for the
mechanics and related craft and class.
TEAMSTERS
AA Mechanics and Related for

 

[xUT]

��


The law on this issue is clear. Under the Railway
Labor Act, after winning an election, a newly-certified
union such as the IBT can serve a Section 6 opener
and the Carrier is obligated to negotiate over the
terms of a new agreement. The starting point for such
negotiations is the existing rates of pay, rules and
working conditions of employees established by their
existing agreement. Further, a carrier may not refuse
to negotiate with a newly-certified union on the basis
that the employees it represents are already covered
by a collective bargaining agreement that was negotiated
by a previous union regardless of when the existing
agreement becomes amendable.
��


In Association of Flight Attendants (AFA) v. USAir, Inc.,
24 F.3d 1432 (D.C. Cir. 1995), the United States Court of
Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit described
a carrier’s duty to bargain after a change in representation.
It did so in addressing AFA’s effort to apply its
collective bargaining agreement with USAir to the
much smaller flight attendant work group employed
by Trump Shuttle and previously represented by TWU
following USAir’s assumption of managerial control of
the Shuttle. The Court of Appeals held that the status
quo applicable to the Shuttle employees (i.e., their existing
rates of pay, rules and working conditions) was
set by their existing collective bargaining agreement
negotiated by the TWU and that the status quo prevailed
until modified by an agreement between AFA
and the carrier.
��


To be clear, the Court of Appeals explained that a carrier
“cannot refuse to bargain over new terms based
on a claim that bargaining has been settled under the
pre-existing contract.” The Court continued, “Instead,
we hold that a newly-certified union in a situation such
as this one has full bargaining rights with respect to
covered employees without regard to whether the employees
previously have been covered by a collective
bargaining agreement.” The decision of the Court of
Appeals for the District of Columbia was bolstered by
its rejection of the notion that USAir or AFA were
bound by the collective bargaining agreement negotiated
by the TWU for the flight attendants employed by
the Trump Shuttle. The Court rejected that notion out
of hand, reasoning that “it is also clear that neither
USAir nor AFA is contractually bound by the Eastern-
TWU agreement, for these parties have not assented
to any of the terms of that agreement.” Additionally,
“The application of one union’s collective bargaining
agreement to another union’s members would create a
situation where those members would have, in effect,
two representatives. But, one could no more have two
exclusive representatives than – to use the old baseball
expression, – ‘two men on second base.’”
��


Therefore, while the IBT would inherit the existing
TWU/American contract as the status quo if the
American Mechanics and Related choose the IBT as
their representative, American is obliged to agree to
commence negotiations over intended changes in the
contract within 30 days of receiving notice of such
changes pursuant to Section 6 of the RLA, 45 U.S.C. §
156, even though a later amendable date appears in
the existing contract.
What A New Union Can Do
Is American Airlines Required to Bargain with a New Union
Over Changes to the Existing Mechanics’ Contract? Yes!
For more information, call the campaign hotline at 877-589-4951 or visit www.teamster.org/aamx
American Airlines is required by law to open up and
negotiate changes to the existing contract once the
Teamsters win the representational election for the
mechanics and related craft and class.
TEAMSTERS
AA Mechanics and Related for

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Lie enough times, repeat the lie x infinity and in 'some weak' minds believe it is true.
B) xUT

 

[odie01]

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Lie enough times, repeat the lie x infinity and in 'some weak' minds believe it is true.
B) xUT

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