TWU and Teamsters are mirror images of each other.

[Ken MacTiernan]

Let's see, the AMFA raided NWA, screwed around for a couple of years, went on strike, lost several thousand jobs while Mr. O.V. Delle Feminine walked out with about 1/2 million dollars. It was awhile back but thats how I remember it. I could be wrong though. I'm sure someone will set me straight.

AMFA raided NWA?

Is that like the teamsters raiding AA?

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

I don't think the AMFA is the best choice. You do remember what happened at NWA when the AMFA finally got in there with the blessing of the overwhelming majority. An overwhelming majority of their mechanics lost their jobs. Right? What we have here is a failure to communicate.

Don,

Failure to communicate? yes, on your part. You act like you "remember" what happened but ask for others for facts. Ok, here are facts.

NWA specifically went after AMFA to break the union. NWA's other unions walked right past the picket lines.

NWA AMTs, after getting the industry a $7.00 Hr raise, were faced with a no win situation much like we had here at AA. NWA AMTs were being faced with such a bad contract that they chose to strike. Right or wrong the members did what they wanted not what National suggested. You see with the twu NWA would have "accepted" incredibly bad language which would have poisoned the rest of our craft industry wide. But they struck and they can hold their heads high because they did not cowar to anti-labor management. NWA merged with Delta which was not AMFA's fault. AMFA represented their members unlike what we have here at AA.

VOTE AMFA!

 

[DNTULSA]

I can't think of a reason.

Thats like asking why have the AMFA.

snakey ; I'll bet you got straight A's in slithering school!

 

[700UW]

At NW the National didnt let the membership vote on the company's offer, so they had to go on strike, so the members had no choice the National told them what to do and didnt let the vote on the company's offer.

 

[TWU informer]

At NW the National didnt let the membership vote on the company's offer, so they had to go on strike, so the members had no choice the National told them what to do and didnt let the vote on the company's offer.

Did you see the company offer?
Would the IAM bring that offer back?

When over 50% of your work force will be RIF's, what is the chance of passage to begin with?
Share what the company demands were and make a bold statement that the IAM would have brought that back.

The membership voted to strike and you know that. And you also know that no union would bring those demands back for a vote.

 

[700UW]

I am just refuting Ken's post saying the members did what they wanted, the National didnt tell them, which is not the case, the exact opposite happened.

 

[TWU informer]

I am just refuting Ken's post saying the members did what they wanted, the National didnt tell them, which is not the case, the exact opposite happened.

Ok my apologies. When you fail to quote the post you are refuting, it appears to me that you are just blabbering less than honest statements.

 

[iluvaa]

Hey Teamsters lovers got an update from the TWU saying that the IBT is lying out there rear about being able to open up the contract if they got voted in. Why would anyone even consider an organization that would spread bold faced lies to us before they even stepped on the property can only imagine the lies once they got in

 

[TWU informer]

Hey Teamsters lovers got an update from the TWU saying that the IBT is lying out there rear about being able to open up the contract if they got voted in. Why would anyone even consider an organization that would spread bold faced lies to us before they even stepped on the property can only imagine the lies once they got in

you have a copy or a link for this update?

 

[riceweevil]

Hey Teamsters lovers got an update from the TWU saying that the IBT is lying out there rear about being able to open up the contract if they got voted in. Why would anyone even consider an organization that would spread bold faced lies to us before they even stepped on the property can only imagine the lies once they got in

The Teamsters did not get as big as they are by being that stupid.If what the IBT is stating as fact about re-opening contract for Title One and Two is false then they can be hammered in Court. They are not that stupid to "lie like that" and think they can get away with it.

 

[700UW]

The IBT is not being truthful, they cant force AA to open negotiations, go read the RLA, the only time Section 6 negotiations occur is 60 days prior to the amendable date.

Since you wont answer this question I am going to ask it again, at UA the IBT promised the same thing, how come it didnt happen and UA told the IBT to go pound sand?

 

[TWU informer]

The Teamsters did not get as big as they are by being that stupid.If what the IBT is stating as fact about re-opening contract for Title One and Two is false then they can be hammered in Court. They are not that stupid to "lie like that" and think they can get away with it.

The IBT is parsing the term "newly certified" union to attempt to skirt the law..

If the IBT organized a "non-union" carrier and then were the "newly certified" union, then yes section 6 openers would commence and would be required.

But since the current ratified labor agreement is between the employees and the company, the IBT can only open the contract IF AA AGREES, and you already know how AA would answer that request.

You can't hammer anyone in court because you are gullible and uninformed.

You should consider your own credibility when spreading IBT lies without checking for pretzel twisting of the legal facts.

You should not disregard the FACT that the IBT was under Federal Government over sight for years because of corruption and organized crime ties, before you claim they did not get as big as they are because they adhere to ethical and legal avenues.

Please do some studying and fact finding on your own, and stop making yourself into a fool.

I am actually starting to feel sorry and compassion for you, but you must help yourself.

Best go call in Anamoly to start defecting this thread away from this Teamster LIE!

 

[riceweevil]

"You should consider your own credibility when spreading IBT lies without checking for pretzel twisting of the legal facts.

You should not disregard the FACT that the IBT was under Federal Government over sight for years because of corruption and organized crime ties, before you claim they did not get as big as they are because they adhere to ethical and legal avenues."

Your postings on this thread proves you are a master of twisting facts. Typical political tricks of accusing your opponent of the very thing you are guilty of.
You are the last person qualified to lecture objectively about the IBT and their past history.I LIKE the fact they MIGHT still have ties to organized crime.
If their claim of re-opening the contract is not true why is it that no union including amfa has NOT sued the IBT in the Court of Law???????????

You can repeat 10k times about the IBT not being able to reopen the contract but still does not make it a fact.

 

[700UW]

Show the board what they could be sued for?

AMFA has no standing in what the IBT promises.

And why couldnt they open the CBA at UA when they promised that too?

 

[TWU informer]

Your postings on this thread proves you are a master of twisting facts. Typical political tricks of accusing your opponent of the very thing you are guilty of.
You are the last person qualified to lecture objectively about the IBT and their past history.I LIKE the fact they MIGHT still have ties to organized crime.
If their claim of re-opening the contract is not true why is it that no union including amfa has NOT sued the IBT in the Court of Law???????????

Why would a Union file a lawsuit against the ibt because you are gullible and ignorant? You are the one that should be sued, because you are the one miselading people into signing the cards to being with.

Be sure and tell the members you are asking to sign cards that you like the fact that organized crime might be circling around you union dues accounts. WOW, you are quite the specimen.

Can we have your identity and make you the poster child of the Teamsters along with RaptorMan49/TulsaMechanic9 ? The two of you kneeling to Anamoly would make a fine poster print.