TWU and Teamsters are mirror images of each other.

[Anomaly]

Do you actually read what you are writing?

You mean the .013% of M&R currently being MISrepresented by the Teamsters?

Are you represented by the Teamsters?? Have you been represented by amfa??

As a member of one, and a former member of the other, I will tell you BY FAR, the Teamsters have done a much better job in the last few years than amfa did the whole time they were on property. If it were not true, why then are we still Teamsters? Why is there NO active campaign at UAL? Look to the amfa web site for proof. NOTHING at UAL.

 

[4A Mechanic]

That's correct! Tell me why that letter refutes everything the teamsters are saying about reopening negotiations? I never said I believed the TWu, those were your words! I laughed at your vesion of the timing not being right to reopen your negotiations, your words. Tell me, when is the right time? The reamsters suck just as bad as the TWu.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Not True. When the IBT replaced the association at UAL, they openly discussed the possibilities of entering in to section 6 negotiations ahead of the amendable date. The same was done by AMFA when they replaced the IAM. The only difference, AMFA could never afford to enter in to sustained negotiations. This is why the association more often elects to extend contracts but this is a different story.

Back to the case with UAL, the option to open was definitely and legally there, but the timing was not the best. At the time, UAL was crying poor, threatening the possibilities of a second bankruptcy, courting US Air as a merging partner after initially being turned down by Continental. Beyond all of that, the year was 2008, and also the time of the highest oil prices in history.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- One year ago, on July 3, 2008, oil prices settled at a record high -- a once-unthinkable $145.29 a barrel. http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/02/markets/year_oil/index.htm

Many thought we should go into negotiations anyway, but the more responsible realized the timing was not the greatest. I agree with the time frame chosen by the Teamsters and the positive results of the contract. The Teamsters are the ONLY union on the sUAL property who have been able to negotiate a contract. While the Pilots have come to an agreement in principal, this is still true today.

Yea, Not True.

AMFA never talked about re-opening the agreement after decertifying the IAM, first its a flat out lie, second, even if it wasn't a flat out lie - WE WERE IN BANKRUPTCY- HELLO???

The "option" as you put, was never there. Again, simply CHANGING unions does not entitle the new union to a section 6 opener, that the company MUST accept. Sure you can ASK, the company can and in all likely hood would simply say NO

There is not a single case where ONE union simply replacing ONE other has FORCED a section 6 opener.

All of the ibts so called offers of proof cite groups merging/combining, something that wasn't happening at UAL and isn't happening currently at American.

As for UAL

UAL threatened to go back into bankruptcy in 2008? WHEN? While they were seeking a merger with CAL & US? Got anything to back that up? I was here the whole time and never heard that one before.

As for the CBA, its easy to get a contract when you just cut-and-paste the CAL agreement, and throw a little money at the financially starved. And lest we forget, even that didn't work the first time out, the ibt had to move the pieces around, trading full sick leave pay & additional holidays etc, just to get the TA to pass....a buyout that didn't even have the language negotiated when the contract was put to a vote.

We never did see the final vote numbers

And again, simply getting us back to essentially what we had contractually over 10 years ago isn't anything to be cheering about. That should've been the baseline.

 

[4A Mechanic]

Hey Anomaly, I suppose the teamsters also represent and defend people with green cards, such as the TWu does. Im sure your alright with that though. That is part of your 1.4 million strong. Industrial unions saving American jobs my ass! Its all about who can survive by collecting the most dues and to hell with the working man in the middle class. Before you know it, the middle class will be extinct, just like the dinosaurs. Just my opinion.

 

[4A Mechanic]

Hey Anomaly, I suppose the teamsters also represent and defend people with green cards, such as the TWu does. Im sure your alright with that though. That is part of your 1.4 million strong. Industrial unions saving American jobs my ass! Its all about who can survive by collecting the most dues and to hell with the working man in the middle class. Before you know it, the middle class will be extinct, just like the dinosaurs. Just my opinion.

 

[4A Mechanic]

Hey Anomaly, I suppose the teamsters also represent and defend people with green cards, such as the TWu does. Im sure your alright with that though. That is part of your 1.4 million strong. Industrial unions saving American jobs my ass! Its all about who can survive by collecting the most dues and to hell with the working man in the middle class. Before you know it, the middle class will be extinct, just like the dinosaurs. Just my opinion.

 

[4A Mechanic]

Hey Anomaly, I suppose the teamsters also represent and defend people with green cards, such as the TWu does. Im sure your alright with that though. That is part of your 1.4 million strong. Industrial unions saving American jobs my ass! Its all about who can survive by collecting the most dues and to hell with the working man in the middle class. Before you know it, the middle class will be extinct, just like the dinosaurs. Just my opinion.

 

[riceweevil]

Last time I checked this thread was about the IBT not AMFA there are plenty of those can we stay on topic I know that's hard here but lets try

The last time I checked there were a big number of postings in this thread promoting the '"so called" virtues of amfa over The IBT or TWU.

 

[1AA]

Are you represented by the Teamsters?? Have you been represented by amfa??

As a member of one, and a former member of the other, I will tell you BY FAR, the Teamsters have done a much better job in the last few years than amfa did the whole time they were on property. If it were not true, why then are we still Teamsters? Why is there NO active campaign at UAL? Look to the amfa web site for proof. NOTHING at UAL.

Two active drives at UAL. One for IAM and one for AMFA. Two drives means they hate the Teamsters twice as much. I have a couple of contacts at UAL to back this up.

 

[DNTULSA]

The same TWU Local you are trying to replace? Suddenly NOW you will believe what they put out in writing?

Old saying:

Everybody lies;

but it don't matter

'cause nobody listens.

So it is possible that the teamsters will get in.

Sadly, if they do, they will rape you guys worse than the twu has.

 

[Tex-Mech]

The same TWU Local you are trying to replace? Suddenly NOW you will believe what they put out in writing?

I like anyone else can read the law, and it is very clear that the Teamsters are lying to the members of this union. If you are willing to lie to us before you extort us out of $400 more a year of dues money for the same contract, what lies will you tell if you were to be on the property? I find it insulting that you would lie to all of us, and caused many people to vote yes on the contract at AFW and elsewhere with your lies. You and your goons think we are a bunch of idiots. Be a man, and admit that you are lying to us, or just go away because nobody here is interested anymore.

http://www.twu.org/emaildocs/facts_on_representation.pdf

 

[Anomaly]

Two active drives at UAL. One for IAM and one for AMFA. Two drives means they hate the Teamsters twice as much. I have a couple of contacts at UAL to back this up.

Are you confusing desperate interest for a campaign? There quite simply is NO active campaign for either group here at UAL. In fact, the iam took a page out of the amfa playbook and in an effort to get back the mechanic group, formed an alliance with amfa and created iamamfa. Totally ridiculous if you think about it. There are a few desperate souls who like the chaos provided by our former unions, but for the most part the rest of us are quite happy with just coming to work and earning a decent paycheck.

I was talking to a couple of the guys on the negotiating team from SFO who were at the meetings in Denver. A while back, you could not convince me that Denver was NOT the unofficial amfa headquarters, but at this meeting there was apparently a whole box of amfa T-shirts which were deposited by former members as a message of support for the Teamsters and our new contract. amfa is loosing support even here every day.

If you have proof to the contrary, why then keep it to yourself? Show me a flier, a meeting schedule, something that proves a campaign does indeed exist at UAL. I am here, and there is no hint of one beyond the few mutterings.

 

[Anomaly]

I like anyone else can read the law, and it is very clear that the Teamsters are lying to the members of this union. If you are willing to lie to us before you extort us out of $400 more a year of dues money for the same contract, what lies will you tell if you were to be on the property? I find it insulting that you would lie to all of us, and caused many people to vote yes on the contract at AFW and elsewhere with your lies. You and your goons think we are a bunch of idiots. Be a man, and admit that you are lying to us, or just go away because nobody here is interested anymore.

http://www.twu.org/e...resentation.pdf

A lawyer/mechanic? You go tex. Get all that rage out on this board before you do something rash.

 

[odie01]

The final nail has been driven into the twu coffin!

Sign your AMFA card today!

 

[1AA]

Do you think the TWU might ask for a RECOUNT if the F/A's do not pass their LBO and the judge does not abrogate their contract? Just thinking out loud.