TWU and IAM representation alliance vote
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The bottom line is there are too many TWU members who are either too lazy or complacent to do any kind of thinking or research for themselves to figure out if any TA is a good or bad deal. They follow the direction of the TWU who historically doesn't like to go back to negotiate a second (or third) time. If we would all just keep voting no and demanding they actually negotiate we would be much better off. The TWU must take the majority of the blame for the lousy situation we are all in, but the membership must also take some responsibility for not forcing these guys to get us industry standard wages and benefits. Scare tactics have always worked for the TWU to push crap on us so there will be no change in plans for them I'm sure. The alliance will give them an opportunity to blame the IAM and the IAM will blame TWU. Of course the blame game will be after they sell another piece of crap TA. As long as we have people who don't care or are too frightened to vote no we are doomed to continue to watch our peers go even further ahead of us and see our hopes for a good retirement turn to dust.AANOTOK said:
OldGuy@AA said:
Exactly right. We have a flawed structure. And the Association is even more flawed.
Leadership is important, blaming the membership is blaming the symptoms and not the disease.
Local 100 has it right. Despite the fact that all other municipal Unions gave big back big time Local 100 was able to make gains. If the members don't like the job their President did they can vote him out. While the International has the same rights over the CBA at Local 100 as they do at AA the International does not interfere.
Local 556 has it right. Yes they are stuck in unproductive negotiations but like Local 100 they continue to kick the can down the road till things turn more advantageous. Recent profit reports being one of them, the APFA contract probably neutralizing that. In the meantime they are maintaining their position at the top of the industry. (not an artificial top that only includes carriers that went through BK)
So whats wrong at AA? TOO MANY LOCALs. (With the Association it will be even worse-too many bargaining agents, and none of them can be removed by the membership of AA)
In M&R our contract group is still spread out between around eight locals, with 90 % in three. Three would be workable, but eight is not. What we need is the ability to have only elected people sitting in our negotiations, people who have to live under the deal they negotiate. After seeing the damage that Videtich did I would favor putting M&R all in one Local to make sure that we never have someone who hates us being in charge of negotiations again.
Real tired
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Apathy.OldGuy@AA said:
It's rampant here in PIT. Ask 20 guys about the association, and 19 of them will look at you with the standard blank stare.
Ask 40 of them about the decision being in the NMB, and 39 1/2 of them don't even know what NMB means.
The problem is, the people who should be giving everyone the information, aren't.
What is really sad is when (if this alliance goes thru) the alliance is announced most of the members will be shocked, "What alliance?", "When did that happen?", "How did that happen?" Then, once it is all said and done they will bitsh, moan and complain as loud as hell. Little do they all know that they could have prevented all this by getting involved, gathering their own information rather than listening to the TWU or the IAM who is fighting for their lives to remain on the property after all this is said and done. Most people are just lazy and expect the union to spoon feed the membership. They also are on auto pilot as far as, "we have a union to handle all that for us" well guess what, just like our government, if you (the membership) do not govern the union they will in fact do what ever they want to do just like the TWU and IAM has done for several decades in all their agreements to concessions in the past. I will feel sorry for you guys at AA if this alliance gets thru, however, I will also say that you have had your chances to remove them over the years as well. Now is the time to get AMFA in or you guys will be stuck with this alliance thing forever. Good luck to you guys, hope you get it done for a change at AA in 2015...
18 weeks now and still counting. Longest in history of SCS filings. How much longer will it take? Amazing, simply amazing how long this is taking. If we get into Jan. over this major delay in the ruling, then keep all cards current and updated, the time is coming...
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Soon we will be heading into the Christmas week and most Gov. offices will be closed until after the New Year.
Don't see any ruling from the NMB on the immediate horizon, we have not heard much of anything from either of the Associations Unions leaders. Not even a Peep from the AFL-CIO who I believe had a hand in this whole idea.
As this has dragged on we also have heard Zero from the AMFA Organizers, card are going to start expiring soon after the New Yr. If and when the NMB does make it's ruling on whether we will get a ballot or not, or if it's a done deal, Are you ready to write in Your choice for Representation. Has the information that the AMFA Organizers given you over the yrs, and the Failure of the TWU to give you a good contract over and over made you think? Did what the IAM agreed to at USAirways make you think that this association of these two Loser unions will be in our best interest? Do you feel AMFA National really wants to have us become AMFA members? WE can see just what the IBT is doing with the UAL/CAL guys.
It's all been real quiet and now AA has started to pick at stations with different tactics. Some stations have not been Happy while others in the system have no problems. This is something AA wants to do, see just how together we are as a class and craft.
I hope that you all understand that the TWU is sitting back as well, watching this all go on and just letting it happen. If they did something to change the way things are they might have to give up the scamming they have been enjoying.
The TWU had delayed the prefund money issue, & what about our stock money as well?
The company is making changes to things we all have enjoyed for yrs and have taken for granted. What is the Associations joint leaders plan to wait until we are involved in a civil war with one another? (Station against Station) Our Class and Craft will be the losers again.
Our industry is in one of it's upswings and the companies are making record profits, Why aren't we benefitting as well?
So I guess the $10.00 dollar questions are, Do You want this Association?
Still want the TWU at our next contract negotiations?
Has what the IAM done at USAirways impressed YOU?
At your station do you want the same scammers getting away with never being around?
It is All going to up to us to decide, Think about that..
Don't see any ruling from the NMB on the immediate horizon, we have not heard much of anything from either of the Associations Unions leaders. Not even a Peep from the AFL-CIO who I believe had a hand in this whole idea.
As this has dragged on we also have heard Zero from the AMFA Organizers, card are going to start expiring soon after the New Yr. If and when the NMB does make it's ruling on whether we will get a ballot or not, or if it's a done deal, Are you ready to write in Your choice for Representation. Has the information that the AMFA Organizers given you over the yrs, and the Failure of the TWU to give you a good contract over and over made you think? Did what the IAM agreed to at USAirways make you think that this association of these two Loser unions will be in our best interest? Do you feel AMFA National really wants to have us become AMFA members? WE can see just what the IBT is doing with the UAL/CAL guys.
It's all been real quiet and now AA has started to pick at stations with different tactics. Some stations have not been Happy while others in the system have no problems. This is something AA wants to do, see just how together we are as a class and craft.
I hope that you all understand that the TWU is sitting back as well, watching this all go on and just letting it happen. If they did something to change the way things are they might have to give up the scamming they have been enjoying.
The TWU had delayed the prefund money issue, & what about our stock money as well?
The company is making changes to things we all have enjoyed for yrs and have taken for granted. What is the Associations joint leaders plan to wait until we are involved in a civil war with one another? (Station against Station) Our Class and Craft will be the losers again.
Our industry is in one of it's upswings and the companies are making record profits, Why aren't we benefitting as well?
So I guess the $10.00 dollar questions are, Do You want this Association?
Still want the TWU at our next contract negotiations?
Has what the IAM done at USAirways impressed YOU?
At your station do you want the same scammers getting away with never being around?
It is All going to up to us to decide, Think about that..
AIM you do realize; that for the most part, you are preaching to the choir. With the exception of a few TWU zealots. I have yet to hear anybody say that they are in favor of the JCBA. The main concern should be on the NMB. The NMB hasn't really convinced any of us that they are fair and unbiased - based on the lame excuses they have used in the past - that always seem to favor the company or the TWU.
TRAVIS
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How is the AMFA drive going in Texas?
I'm sure that the IAM / TWU wanted this put in the back pages. So I think it is best to keep it alive.
I'm sure that the IAM / TWU wanted this put in the back pages. So I think it is best to keep it alive.
This is required by law to be posted at the work place. If you do not know where it is located at your station then request it be posted for easy viewing. This is what should be posted. Read it. The NMB stated that an election will happen if there investigation is approved. They also state we have a right to chose our representation as well as chose not to have any at all. A sign off on the alliance will violate the NMB's own rules.
Take note 700 of the following sentences, and I quote, "NO DETERMINATION HAS BEEN MADE AT THIS TIME" and the very next statement says, "if an election is held". Also take note of no date when this was generated, and no sigs. It is still not just a gimme that the alliance gets in or that there will be a vote. The NMB has made this very clear as they capitalized part of their phrases.
http://twu514.org/bl...on-to-congress/
it would seem that the biggest concern for tulsa local 514 is a petition to congress that will probably go nowhere. no concern that the pilots got 27% raise the flight attendants got a raise. and we are getting ....well nothing....because we cant get our #### together. if you did your job TWU in representing us you would not have to worry about a petition. how about a strategy for improvements to our bankrupt contract?
Harry Lombardo are you listening
it would seem that the biggest concern for tulsa local 514 is a petition to congress that will probably go nowhere. no concern that the pilots got 27% raise the flight attendants got a raise. and we are getting ....well nothing....because we cant get our #### together. if you did your job TWU in representing us you would not have to worry about a petition. how about a strategy for improvements to our bankrupt contract?
Harry Lombardo are you listening
http://business-news.thestreet.com/dallas-morning-news/story/in-another-letter-to-pilots-american-extends-retro-pay-deadline/13007646
the company is bending over backwards to get a contract and we have seen and heard NOTHING from the TWU. the company extended the deadline for RETRO pay to the pilots are we going to sit back like idiots?
they gave the pilots 650 million dollar a year improvements in their contract what about us twu?
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/american-airlines-says-proposed-pilot-contract-would-raise-its-2015-costs-by-650-million.html/
the company is bending over backwards to get a contract and we have seen and heard NOTHING from the TWU. the company extended the deadline for RETRO pay to the pilots are we going to sit back like idiots?
they gave the pilots 650 million dollar a year improvements in their contract what about us twu?
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/american-airlines-says-proposed-pilot-contract-would-raise-its-2015-costs-by-650-million.html/
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