TWU and IAM representation alliance vote

[CMH_GSE]

Can you give more details?  The TWU would be smart if they had a run-off with the IAM.  Could it be too much in fighting?  This could get very, very interesting.  Could it be that the TWU sees a better way to yet again keep AMFA out and it will take the TWU stabbing the IAM right in the back in order to do it?  We will all see in due time.  I have been telling you guys that something is up with all this alliance crap, and we will all see at the end...

 
 
Bottom line here is, nobody among the rank and file want the association, or whatever it is, I have heard not a single person say they wanted it, in fact, everyone has been vocally against.
 
You better believe the International knows they are on real thin ice here and want to keep getting dues.
They will take any avenue that achieves that, even if it's only for one more year.
 
They know that if they get the gig going forward, they have one year , or maybe a little less, to get a rockin good contract in place or they will be dispatched by whatever union files for election a year later.

 

[bigjets]

This association would be forcing me to be part of a union the IAM, that negotiated a contract substandard to the TWU's bankruptcy contract regarding pay.

While the APFA negotiated a INDUSTRY LEADING contract against the same management team. That's higher pay and work rules. Let's look at the troubleshooting chart and see what the problem might be.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

 
 
Bottom line here is, nobody among the rank and file want the association, or whatever it is, I have heard not a single person say they wanted it, in fact, everyone has been vocally against.
 
You better believe the International knows they are on real thin ice here and want to keep getting dues.
They will take any avenue that achieves that, even if it's only for one more year.
 
They know that if they get the gig going forward, they have one year , or maybe a little less, to get a rockin good contract in place or they will be dispatched by whatever union files for election a year later.

 
 
CMH_GSE
 
You are against the Association, so I have a few questions for you.
 
1. As a title 2 employee of AA, having a choice which of the three unions vying for your vote if we get one will you support?  TWU,  IAM,  AMFA?
 
2. Are You happy with what the TWU has done for you in the last couple of contracts?
 
3. Speaking as a title 2 employee why has your group not signed cards to support the aircraft mechanics, when you are part of the same class and craft as they are? Any change by them you will be a part of that change.
 
4.  Did you sign an IBT card, in the attempt to rid AA of the TWU? If so  why?
 
Just curious

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I guess sometimes its not what you meant but how you say it may determine how its interpreted. 

I think it is more likely that my political leanings determined how it was interpreted.

 

[Bob Owens]

This association would be forcing me to be part of a union the IAM, that negotiated a contract substandard to the TWU's bankruptcy contract regarding pay.

While the APFA negotiated a INDUSTRY LEADING contract against the same management team. That's higher pay and work rules. Let's look at the troubleshooting chart and see what the problem might be.

The reality is that your "Union" would be split between two collective bargaining agents that outsourced control of your contract to an Association. 
 
Remember the saying "You are the Union". The TWU, IAM, IBT, CWA, AMFA etc are commonly called Unions but in reality they are all Collective Bargaining Agents who represent Unions of workers.
 
Our "Union" is the group of coworkers that work under a common contract at a common employer.  Yes there are two unions for mechanics at AA, but there are also two unions of mechanics at UAL, the difference is at AA the two Unions have two different Collective Bargaining agents and at UAL both  Unions have the same Collective bargaining agent. We have a union of AA mechanics who work under a Collective Bargaining Agreement administered by the TWU and PMUS has a Collective bargaining agreement administered by the IAM, at UAL the PMUAL guys have a CBAgreement administered by the IBT and the PMCAL guys have a CBAgreement also administered by the IBT. 
 
The objective for mechanics is to have a single Union of mechanics under a single agreement, at the new AA. Other classifications have the same objectives, the pilots and flight attendants are already there. In both those cases the Collective Bargaining Agent with the smaller number of members at the company backed out, it was the right thing to do. Currently for mechanics at the New AA there are two contracts administered by two different collective bargaining agents. One is the IAM and the other is the TWU, both have current agreements that become amendable in 2018. There is no requirement to amend either of those agreements prior to 2018. Both of those Collective bargaining agents want to keep their commissions, otherwise known as dues, coming in so they struck a deal between themselves to serve their interests. There is zero advantage  for the members to having two Collective bargaining agents represent us, especially under the terms they came up with without any input from any member. This applies to all TWU except Dispatch, sim tech and Flight training. 
 
The Association agreement strips the membership of as much authority as allowed by law and basically outsources administration of our contract to a newly created entity called the Association. If this were an organizing attempt of non-union workers they would not dream of having such language because they would never get anyone to vote in such a Collective bargaining agent. 
 
This Association agreement, conjured up by Jim Little and Buffenbarger not only removes any ability by the members to have input but also removes liability from the two organizations as far as membership lawsuits for DFR violations. In other words the Association can screw the crap out of us, the TWU and IAM get our dues but the Association has no Assets for the members to go after in a DFR. The Association becomes our Collective Bargaining agent but our dues go to the TWU and IAM!!!
 
There is nothing good for the membership in this Association. 

 

[TRAVIS]

I guess the IAM and TWU letters put a little kink in the SNAKE OIL SALESMEN WITH THE ASSOCIATION????? LOL

 

[swamt]

I guess the IAM and TWU letters put a little kink in the SNAKE OIL SALESMEN WITH THE ASSOCIATION????? LOL

Don't be so sure Travis.  IMO the reason it is taking so long is the NMB is trying to work out the craft and classes of the 2 different union represented groups at both carriers as they have different titles for different groups at the 2 carriers.  The NMB would NOT have spent this long of time and study the work groups for this long if they were to originally rule not in favor of this alliance.  The question at this point is rather or not the membership will have a vote, called on, conducted by, and certified by the NMB.  The memberships of AA and US better freakin hope they get a vote called by the NMB on this alliance BS currently being forced upon you guys. Otherwise, you guys are completely @#@%$**

 

[Overspeed]

November 7, 2014
 
IAM representatives of the Joint Seniority Integration Committee met last week in Dallas, TX to discuss and examine issues related to seniority list integration. The IAM also named their respective joint contract negotiating committees comprised of members from Districts 141 and 142 (see below). The TWU–IAM Associations were formed in May, 2013 after the merger of American Airlines and US Airways and is the largest union at the new American Airlines. The IAM and TWU both determined that joining forces would bring the best unity and strength to secure the joint contracts that Association represented members rightfully deserve. While there are three separate and distinct Associations for negotiations and representation purposes (Mechanic & Related, Fleet Service and Stores), our combined strength will bring us the best contracts at the bargaining tables. “We are excited about moving the Associations forward, so 30,000 ground workers at the new American can attain the industry’s best contracts at the World’s largest carrier,” said IAM District 141 and 142 Presidents Rich Delaney and Dave Supplee in a joint statement. “The new American just reported record third quarter profits. Now is the time to be prepared and get to the table.” Mechanic & Related/Stores Sean Ryan John Coveny Bennie Martino Mark Strength Ken Coley Mark Huffman Fleet Mike Fairbanks Pat Rezler Bill Wilson Steve Miller Mark Baskett Rodney Walker The TWU will separately name members from TWU to the joint negotiating committee. We look forward to joining forces. - See more at: http://www.usaamerger.com/#sthash.dcwk9iSL.dpuf

 

[swamt]

November 7, 2014
 
IAM representatives of the Joint Seniority Integration Committee met last week in Dallas, TX to discuss and examine issues related to seniority list integration. The IAM also named their respective joint contract negotiating committees comprised of members from Districts 141 and 142 (see below). The TWU–IAM Associations were formed in May, 2013 after the merger of American Airlines and US Airways and is the largest union at the new American Airlines. The IAM and TWU both determined that joining forces would bring the best unity and strength to secure the joint contracts that Association represented members rightfully deserve. While there are three separate and distinct Associations for negotiations and representation purposes (Mechanic & Related, Fleet Service and Stores), our combined strength will bring us the best contracts at the bargaining tables. “We are excited about moving the Associations forward, so 30,000 ground workers at the new American can attain the industry’s best contracts at the World’s largest carrier,” said IAM District 141 and 142 Presidents Rich Delaney and Dave Supplee in a joint statement. “The new American just reported record third quarter profits. Now is the time to be prepared and get to the table.” Mechanic & Related/Stores Sean Ryan John Coveny Bennie Martino Mark Strength Ken Coley Mark Huffman Fleet Mike Fairbanks Pat Rezler Bill Wilson Steve Miller Mark Baskett Rodney Walker The TWU will separately name members from TWU to the joint negotiating committee. We look forward to joining forces. - See more at: http://www.usaamerger.com/#sthash.dcwk9iSL.dpuf

Overspeed, do you really think for one moment that the TWU/IAM will go from the bottom of industry to the top?  In one swooping contract?  You are completely off your rocker if you think the AA fellas will get industry leading contract.  The mechanics won't even reach SWA's current contract and were in current nego's.  Let's not forget the industry leaders FedEx and UPS top dog.  C'mon man...

 

[Rogallo]

Really!

 

[700UW]

IAM District Lodge 141 and 142 Negotiations Committee members, District Lodge 141 and 142 leadership and Transportation Department officials met yesterday in Charlotte, NC to continue preparations for joint contract negotiations for Mechanic and Related, Fleet Service and Stores workers at American Airlines.
TWU-IAM Association bargaining strategies and priorities were discussed and previous seniority committee meetings were reviewed.
 
“Yesterday’s meetings were very productive and the business of the Association is moving along,” said IAM District 141 and 142 Presidents Rich Delaney and Dave Supplee. “We eagerly await a single carrier determination so the representation process is triggered.”
 
The National Mediation Board (NMB) has yet to rule on the TWU-IAM Association’s request for a single carrier determination. Although there is no specific timetable for the NMB to issue a determination, a ruling is expected soon.
 
“Getting to the table and achieving the industry’s best contracts for Mechanic and Related, Fleet Service and Stores workers at American Airlines is our single priority,” continued Delaney and Supplee. “We look forward to the TWU-appointed negotiators joining the process.”
 
The TWU-IAM Association represents more than 30,000 Mechanic and Related, Fleet Service and Stores workers at American Airlines and is the largest union at the carrier.
 
- See more at: http://www.usaamerger.com/2014/11/19/iam-continues-american-airlines-joint-contract-preparations/#sthash.9L9pSL8Q.dpuf
 
 

 

[AANOTOK]

 

IAM District Lodge 141 and 142 Negotiations Committee members, District Lodge 141 and 142 leadership and Transportation Department officials met yesterday in Charlotte, NC to continue preparations for joint contract negotiations for Mechanic and Related, Fleet Service and Stores workers at American Airlines.
TWU-IAM Association bargaining strategies and priorities were discussed and previous seniority committee meetings were reviewed.
 
“Yesterday’s meetings were very productive and the business of the Association is moving along,” said IAM District 141 and 142 Presidents Rich Delaney and Dave Supplee. “We eagerly await a single carrier determination so the representation process is triggered.”
 
The National Mediation Board (NMB) has yet to rule on the TWU-IAM Association’s request for a single carrier determination. Although there is no specific timetable for the NMB to issue a determination, a ruling is expected soon.
 
“Getting to the table and achieving the industry’s best contracts for Mechanic and Related, Fleet Service and Stores workers at American Airlines is our single priority,” continued Delaney and Supplee. “We look forward to the TWU-appointed negotiators joining the process.”
 
The TWU-IAM Association represents more than 30,000 Mechanic and Related, Fleet Service and Stores workers at American Airlines and is the largest union at the carrier.
 
- See more at: http://www.usaamerger.com/2014/11/19/iam-continues-american-airlines-joint-contract-preparations/#sthash.9L9pSL8Q.dpuf
 
 

 

No TWU yet???..a preview of things to come!

 

[iluvaa]

The TWU-IAM Association represents more than 30,000 Mechanic and Related, Fleet Service and Stores workers at American Airlines and is the largest union at the carrier.

Correction the association doesn't represent a single person at this point. So please stop posting such drivel

 

[Vortilon]

 

IAM District Lodge 141 and 142 Negotiations Committee members, District Lodge 141 and 142 leadership and Transportation Department officials met yesterday in Charlotte, NC to continue preparations for joint contract negotiations for Mechanic and Related, Fleet Service and Stores workers at American Airlines.
TWU-IAM Association bargaining strategies and priorities were discussed and previous seniority committee meetings were reviewed.
 
“Yesterday’s meetings were very productive and the business of the Association is moving along,” said IAM District 141 and 142 Presidents Rich Delaney and Dave Supplee. “We eagerly await a single carrier determination so the representation process is triggered.”
 
The National Mediation Board (NMB) has yet to rule on the TWU-IAM Association’s request for a single carrier determination. Although there is no specific timetable for the NMB to issue a determination, a ruling is expected soon.
 
“Getting to the table and achieving the industry’s best contracts for Mechanic and Related, Fleet Service and Stores workers at American Airlines is our single priority,” continued Delaney and Supplee. “We look forward to the TWU-appointed negotiators joining the process.”
 
The TWU-IAM Association represents more than 30,000 Mechanic and Related, Fleet Service and Stores workers at American Airlines and is the largest union at the carrier.
 
- See more at: http://www.usaamerger.com/2014/11/19/iam-continues-american-airlines-joint-contract-preparations/#sthash.9L9pSL8Q.dpuf
 
 

 

 
 
What a joke, what these douche bags did is waste dues paying members money.  They sat around looking at each other eating doughnuts with blank looks on their faces.  Who are they kidding? 

 

[TRAVIS]

No TWU yet???..a preview of things to come!

Reminds me of that song (Dont want to be all by myself) LOL