Tulsa's AMT's can make things better

[Anomaly]

I would hope that if we all (the Airline mechnics) became organized under one union we could switch from carrier to carrier and maintain the top of the wage rate we are at. Unless you have not worked anyother place than AA you won't have a clue as to starting over bottom of the pay scale while other just starting out amke more.
That is what the craft unions have. Are the things we gave up worth the final prize, of keeping maintenance in house No.... it going to happen that AA will farm out all the work so all we gave up set us here at AA back 15-20 yrs.

The Airtran AMT's elected to go with AMFA and the way the merger would take place they got a better deal with AMFA.

ASK THEM IF YOU BELIEVE DIFFERENT>>>>>>

Not quite. This idea of keeping your pay would have to be negotiated at each airline under each contract. AMFA is not set up for this systematically nor do they support this notion. Not constitutionally at least.

I dig your idea and suggested the theory myself in a different thread. I seriously doubt, however, based on the objections from this board that amfa would allow an idea like that to fly.

As for Air Tran, there was never an election. Even if every one of them wanted to, the group was too small to gather enough cards to overcome SWA. I did talk to a couple. They are not so happy about amfa, but the significant bump in pay keeps them satisfied.

 

[Anomaly]

You always some clever comeback to avoid addressing this majority rule problem.
Why is that?

As do you my non licensed friend.

 

[xUT]

As do you my non licensed friend.

Very UNprofessional ibt dig.
Do you do that with everyone whom disagrees with your ibt lies?
B) xUT

 

[Anomaly]

Very UNprofessional ibt dig.
Do you do that with everyone whom disagrees with your ibt lies?
B) xUT

I treat him as he treats me. Same with you. Thanks again for the one liner. I am sure you added a bunch to this topic.

 

[amtcraig1]

TWU informer;

Did you just crawl out from under the rock?

The AMFA idea is all mechanics in one union, then negotiate experience recognition clauses so the AMT can move from carrier to carrier and be paid based on his industry experience instead of suffering the industrial union low starting pay and lengthy progression to top pay.


Defined Pension
Retirement Medical
Job Security
7 Day Coverage
Increased Medical Premiums and Co Pays
1 Week of Vacation
The Right to take PV Days
Mandatory Shift Rotation
Undefined Overtime and Field Trip Rules
Company Selection of Crew Chiefs and Bids

along with 1,000's of jobs off the payroll.

Along with still the lowest Holiday and Sick Pay Package in the industry....


TWU informer, I don't understand. I take it since you are for AMFA, you like the amfa idea? Now all these things you listed as you were not going to give up. Really? Do you know; You would (and will) have to give them up them up for this amfa idea? Now you are going to attack me, please I am living your dream. I am an AMFA Member.

 

[Anomaly]

Did you just crawl out from under the rock?

The AMFA idea is all mechanics in one union, then negotiate experience recognition clauses so the AMT can move from carrier to carrier and be paid based on his industry experience instead of suffering the industrial union low starting pay and lengthy progession to top pay.

That's funny, even under this rock. I apologize for my ignorance.

By the way, I have just read through three amfa contracts, albeit, some of them older ones. I did not see the language you claim. Where can I find this in the previous UA contract, or the QX contract, or the previous Mesaba contract? Is it in the Alaska or Southwest book? It is lost too in the former NWA book or any of the other amfa contracts I have been able to download.

I can NOT find this negotiated "clause" that would allow this.

 

[Anomaly]

Everytime the truth is spoken, you resort to personal attacks on individuals and skills.

Keep it up, I print these out and convert non-A&P Teamster supporters to AMFA supporters using you as my organizer.

One day I will show you my anomaly book that gets cards signed daily.

Did you actually speak the truth??

And I missed it?

 

[Anomaly]

TWU informer;

Did you just crawl out from under the rock?

The AMFA idea is all mechanics in one union, then negotiate experience recognition clauses so the AMT can move from carrier to carrier and be paid based on his industry experience instead of suffering the industrial union low starting pay and lengthy progression to top pay.


Defined Pension
Retirement Medical
Job Security
7 Day Coverage
Increased Medical Premiums and Co Pays
1 Week of Vacation
The Right to take PV Days
Mandatory Shift Rotation
Undefined Overtime and Field Trip Rules
Company Selection of Crew Chiefs and Bids

along with 1,000's of jobs off the payroll.

Along with still the lowest Holiday and Sick Pay Package in the industry....


TWU informer, I don't understand. I take it since you are for AMFA, you like the amfa idea? Now all these things you listed as you were not going to give up. Really? Do you know; You would (and will) have to give them up them up for this amfa idea? Now you are going to attack me, please I am living your dream. I am an AMFA Member.

Well put

 

[4A Mechanic]

And we are living the TWu dream, so it cant get any worse! We are already at the bottom. No where to go but up in my opinion.

 

[Anomaly]

And we are living the TWu dream, so it cant get any worse! We are already at the bottom. No where to go but up in my opinion.

Hey, all BS aside, we have been where you are now. Every time I said things could not get worse, something else went wrong. It felt like we lost everything and many of my good friends simply gave up. For some, it was a good move, for too many others, not so much.

I feel for you, and hate that anyone has to go through what you are going through now. With that, I truly do wish all the best for you.

If it helps, the difference between us and you; the whole Country was on the downward slide at our time, we just did not know it. For you, at least, the pendulum is swinging in the upward direction. I hope anyway.

Nowhere to go but up? For your sake, and the others on this board, I sincerely hope this is true.

 

[4A Mechanic]

The only difference between us is the Company we work for in my opinion. We are all skilled tradesmen and should be treated as such, just like electricians and plumbers. We just dont get the respect they get and that we deserve. And that is what pisses me off. We can serve prison time for a human error, but if a toilet overflows, oh well!

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Not quite. This idea of keeping your pay would have to be negotiated at each airline under each contract. AMFA is not set up for this systematically nor do they support this notion. Not constitutionally at least.

I dig your idea and suggested the theory myself in a different thread. I seriously doubt, however, based on the objections from this board that amfa would allow an idea like that to fly.

As for Air Tran, there was never an election. Even if every one of them wanted to, the group was too small to gather enough cards to overcome SWA. I did talk to a couple. They are not so happy about amfa, but the significant bump in pay keeps them satisfied.

I guess I did not make myself clear, it is not part of the contracts at AMFA and I did not say it was. Keeping your rates of pay but it would be nice, just as the construction trades men there is a rating you get after so much time. journeyman.

The idea is Having one Union lobby for us, not several with different agendas. Since you say you talked with a couple of Air tran AMT's and the significant jump in pay keeps them satisfied. ARE YOU Satisfied? It would make it hard for the airlines to pay the same class and craft different rates of pay.

 

[2ndGENAMT]

Hey, all BS aside, we have been where you are now. Every time I said things could not get worse, something else went wrong. It felt like we lost everything and many of my good friends simply gave up. For some, it was a good move, for too many others, not so much.

I feel for you, and hate that anyone has to go through what you are going through now. With that, I truly do wish all the best for you.

If it helps, the difference between us and you; the whole Country was on the downward slide at our time, we just did not know it. For you, at least, the pendulum is swinging in the upward direction. I hope anyway.

Nowhere to go but up? For your sake, and the others on this board, I sincerely hope this is true.

In steps Jim Little!!!

 

[RV4]

Outsourcing - IAM, TWU, IBT, AMFA all has that.
Bankruptcy - IAM, TWU, IBT, AMFA, all have been there.
Headcount Reductions - IAM, TWU, IBT, AMFA, all have suffered these.
Politics - IAM, TWU, IBT, AMFA, none are winning in this arena.

Of the above listed items, can anyone name a single union organization that has stopped the airlines from outsourcing work, or that succeeded in defending the union members in bankruptcy court, of that has not suffered headcount reductions in the last 15 years, or that been a true proven success in the politics of campaign involvement, or lobbying against overseas maintenance?

I read through this forum and I see union bashing union but I don't see any union being any better than the other union in any the above listed items that you folks are bashing each other over.

So if they are all failing at all of the above bashing items, and of those items there is not a difference period, then why not go with the one that stands the best chance at addressing your issues beyond those listed, and the one that the AMT would be the majority within?

 

[amtcraig1]

4A Mechanic;
And we are living the TWU dream, so it can’t get any worse! We are already at the bottom. No where to go but up in my opinion


The only difference between us is the Company we work for in my opinion. We are all skilled tradesmen and should be treated as such, just like electricians and plumbers. We just don’t get the respect they get and that we deserve. And that is what pisses me off. We can serve prison time for a human error, but if a toilet overflows, oh well!

Well.. AMFA is for you, but let me tell you. You do know as a skilled tradesman (like the plumber/electricians?) you have a number of laws to follow (FAR's). Those direct us basically to do it the right way. For us in the airlines (121operators) that means doing it per the maint manuals. So if that Human error you’re talking about is anywhere outside of those steps in that manual. The Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association is not going to be much help. Prison time it will be. Let me tell you a story. I am a member of Local 14. One nite on Grave Line Crew a member was asking questions to a fellow tech..Now this member was shocked at his fellow techs answers. So he took this to Management, now he didn't take it to his Supervisor he went straight to the line Manager told him what went on and that this man is a safety concern. Well the manager had to act so he removed the tech.. The rest is about the Grievance so I won't go into that.. But I will tell you the outcome for the tech. He still has his A&P, he is a tech helper, towing a/c and cleaning parts. At a much lower rate of pay. So you not only have the Prison thing to worry about, but if your knowledge is as good as the fellow member talking to you.