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When I hired on at WN our wages were below AA. I can't predict the future but I don't believe they will ever be there again. I'd like to believe that AA wages would come up to WN level.
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Why would AA's wages have to come up when there are MRO's that charge less and employ A&P's that will work for lower wages and less benefits? AA is strictly looking at the holy dollar. I don't think quality matters anymore. This really puts union's at a disadvantage against the MRO's, and I'm talking about the Timco's and AAR's. More and more airlines are using MRO's for not only OH, but line too. And, as long as WE have A&P's willing to undercut A&P's at major carriers, your $45/hr wage will soon disappear! It's the nature of the beast!
So, how do WE move forward and compete against the MRO's????
That's the million dollar question nobody's been able to answer???
Sorry to burst your bubble. The IAMAW already had allowed outsourcing at NWA, with no firm cap. I know, I was there to witness it. The AMFA contract put a cap on it. We may have been wrong to vote yes on any outsourcing at all, but the IAM had already let that horse out of the barn. Elizabeth Dole was the one who started the whole outsourcing frenzy with the change to the FAA FAR's.
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And, who lobbied Dole to change those FAR's????
Where were the unions???? COPE????
The unions are just as culpable as the airlines when it comes to our demise!!!!
I don't think the TWU will offer less pay for ALL to save OH, I still hope the TWU and AA come up with a separate contract for OH and line, and they can adjust their contract to save themselves. This dream seems less likely everyday. If the line takes less to save OH, I can see a lot of bitter unhappy line mechs who will be less then motivated to work quickly. With no pension, retiree medical, good pay there will be no reason not to look for another job, where you don't have to sacrifice your family life and commute on congested tollways to go through security everyday.
I think SWA pay will not be that high come their next contract unfortunately, as they will have the competition of 3 very large low cost airlines to compete against.
Yes, I remember that, but the AMFA contract had great pay and outsourcing, and the TWU 2001 contract had even better pay and no outsourcing. The end result was that the TWU contract was better then the AMFA contract, but AA was a much better airline then NWA. There are a lot of factors to consider.
I think AMFA main fault was hugely tactical error of going on strike after the NMB gave NWA time to find replacements, it would have been better to stay at work and follow the maint manual to the letter that means locking out the spoilers when doing a tire change, and the like.
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"Yes, I remember that, but the AMFA contract had great pay and outsourcing, and the TWU 2001 contract had even better pay and no outsourcing. The end result was that the TWU contract was better then the AMFA contract, but AA was a much better airline then NWA. There are a lot of factors to consider. "
Definitely arguable.....
Definitely arguable.....
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Let me begin by saying that I wish the best of luck to all at Southwest.. Now, It's my opinion that you better keep a close eye on the Executives that are moving up through the ranks now that the founders are moving on.. It will merely take a few of them that have been educated by one of our prestigious business institutions in charge to bring WN down in a matter of years!!
I have grown up in this industry first under the wings of Delta and at AA as an employee for the past 23 years and never thought I would see the turn of events of the past decade that have brought this industry where it is today..
WN WILL be ripe one day for the same turn of events that have plagued the rest of the industry, your own management has made comment about necessary increased production and I do not see things getting better with the competition that WN will be facing in the future...
Best Of Luck!!
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I keep reading on how were being compared to SWA's mechanics pay. Question, Does SW pay rates differ between their Oh and Line? If not, why should we?
I don't think it is a coincidence that we have an ex-NW senior manager as top dog in our Maint. and Engineering dept.
And who would that be?
Brian Hirshman was a Sr Mgr in the DC-10 hanger at NW but went to Alaska Airlines in 1998 I think....Was a VP of maintenance there and is now a Sr VP of maintenance and engineering at SWA
