TUL mechs

[iluvaa]

Dale Danker just put out a letter this morning that the 2nd MD 80 line that supposed to start in August will not be returning causing a surplus of 100 plus heads.
To All,

We were made aware this morning from Mark Easton that the second MD-80 Heavy check line, that was suspended for the summer schedule, will not restart in August as originally planned.

Without that MD80 Heavy check, Easton predicts that this change could equate to about a 100 AMT surplus in Aircraft Overhaul and Maintenance.

Easton stated that he is in discussions with planning concerning the impact this will have on CRO and PALM. He also stated that they will be looking for opportunities to close the gap and will give more details as they become available.

Dale Danker
President TWU 514

 

[BigMac]

Good thing we just went to 7day 4/10s.
(Sarcasm)

 

[iluvaa]

That was to hide 300 I think there running out of places to hide. Also 5 d and C will be done it August that's another 100 some AMTs

 

[1AA]

As short as we are on the line stations it would not surprise me to move AMT's out of Tulsa to the line stations through transfers. This will just move the heads to where the work is.
Less work in Tulsa and more flights on the line to work. Writing is on the wall.
 
Sign a AMFA card if you want a change for better representation. Time is running out.

 

[BigMac]

3D AMTs have been covering 3A (Heavy), 3B,3C (drop ins) 3D (part time heavy & drop ins) and 4D (the #2 heavy line that is going to lites).
7 day 4/10s took 2 days off every A/C. Because they now count weekends as days toward the A/C. Planes rotate quicker. We did get many AMTs from Hgrs 5&6. So are they going to disperse, streetbound or downgrade to OSM/AMTs? They've been modifying 3D for 37s & 3B-C for possible Airbuses. Last I heard.....

 

[Topcat187]

As short as we are on the line stations it would not surprise me to move AMT's out of Tulsa to the line stations through transfers. This will just move the heads to where the work is.
Less work in Tulsa and more flights on the line to work. Writing is on the wall.
 
Sign a AMFA card if you want a change for better representation. Time is running out.

 
 
DFW still has people on layoff. The only ones I can think of that might be short are LGA, JFK, BOS and LAX

 

[bigjets]

TWUs claim to fame "we saved OH" looks like another failure, worst contract and losing OH.

That's great info about what's going on at TUL. I had no idea things were so bleak.

 

[Shafted]

Any word about TEASL?

The 7 day coverage is a freaking Joke down at TAESL! Cribbes,Foot,Flock and the rest of this mismanagement team are just letting this bad idea run it's course and then when it's time to close the doors for good, they will blame the TWU workforce.

 

[exs]

 
 
DFW still has people on layoff. The only ones I can think of that might be short are LGA, JFK, BOS and LAX

I was told by an AMT at DFW that the overtime is an open checkbook. How in the world is there mechanics on layoff when the union can walk into managements office and demand to bring these mechanics back with all the overtime they work there? Hell you have the numbers to prove it.

Wait..I forgot, we have the worst union in the industry with absolutely no leadership.

Do you really think bringing these guys back will reduce the overtime for the people working it?

Unbelievable!!! Sorry if a little off topic.

 

[Overspeed]

TWUs claim to fame "we saved OH" looks like another failure, worst contract and losing OH.

That's great info about what's going on at TUL. I had no idea things were so bleak.

 
How do you balme aircraft not needing overhauls due to being replaced by newer aircraft to the the TWU?
 
TUL would have shrunk with or without the new CBA. The difference is under the original "ask" the company wanted to outsource closer to what has been the industry standard (closer to 50%). Those airlines that outsource around 50% for your information are represented by the IBT and AMFA, not the TWU.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

 
How do you balme aircraft not needing overhauls due to being replaced by newer aircraft to the the TWU?
 
TUL would have shrunk with or without the new CBA. The difference is under the original "ask" the company wanted to outsource closer to what has been the industry standard (closer to 50%). Those airlines that outsource around 50% for your information are represented by the IBT and AMFA, not the TWU.

 
O/S
 
I am Glad that you recognise the fact that the companies NO MATTER which union is on the property companies have outsourced work. AA was the last to do away with the pensions but also was the last to file for BK.
 
AA was the last to shed the O/H bases as it is doing, and YOU want us all to believe that this is being done because the TWU is so Good.
 
We believe other wise we believe that we here at AA kept the pension/overhaul longer because the TWU rolled over and let the company reduce our financial future to the lowest in the industry. They (TWU) did this just to survive them selves, claiming it was saving jobs.
 
All the other carriers were at one time represented by the IAM, TWA,UAL,CAL,USAir.
Delta Non Union. BIg business is laughing at the unions here in the states.
 
Now the TWU is aligning itself with the IAM, with the blessing of the AFL-CIO again just to save itself.
 
Instead of being Honest with the members the TWU has used smoke and mirrors to keep the Tulsa mechanics from recognizing the lies and helping to remove the TWU.
 
AA and the TWU worked together giving just enough to keep Tulsa in check. Since we all the mechanics knew T-Town had the voting power. That way you and the TWU could keep the scamming going. Now that things are starting to flip you want to tell the Tulsa mechanics is AMFA's plan to sell them out since the line guys want them gone.
 
BS its just a last ditch effort for you and the TWU to keep what ever dues you can coming in.
 
The TWU brought in the IBT last card drive to disrupt the count, and it worked. Split the line and O/H. AA turned in the list to the NMB same day while USAirways needed an extension, to accomplish the same. Just shows that AA has a brilliant H/R dept & a legal team that looks for any way to keep the TWU here. Keep the concessions coming until they have broke the employees. US did it twice, UAL as well, CAL did it multiple times to its rank and file. The only ones who made out are the Intl. officers. Now even the TWU is attempting to screw even the one who helped AA. YOUR hero Don V. 
 
It is not about the past and what happened O/S its about the future.
 
We want a vote, a say in which way our families and careers are to go. WE just believe the TWU is NOT the way.
 
I am hoping that the USAir guys feel the same about the IAM.

 

[Overspeed]

 
O/S
 
I am Glad that you recognise the fact that the companies NO MATTER which union is on the property companies have outsourced work. AA was the last to do away with the pensions but also was the last to file for BK.
 
AA was the last to shed the O/H bases as it is doing, and YOU want us all to believe that this is being done because the TWU is so Good.
 
We believe other wise we believe that we here at AA kept the pension/overhaul longer because the TWU rolled over and let the company reduce our financial future to the lowest in the industry. They (TWU) did this just to survive them selves, claiming it was saving jobs.
 
All the other carriers were at one time represented by the IAM, TWA,UAL,CAL,USAir.
Delta Non Union. BIg business is laughing at the unions here in the states.
 
Now the TWU is aligning itself with the IAM, with the blessing of the AFL-CIO again just to save itself.
 
Instead of being Honest with the members the TWU has used smoke and mirrors to keep the Tulsa mechanics from recognizing the lies and helping to remove the TWU.
 
AA and the TWU worked together giving just enough to keep Tulsa in check. Since we all the mechanics knew T-Town had the voting power. That way you and the TWU could keep the scamming going. Now that things are starting to flip you want to tell the Tulsa mechanics is AMFA's plan to sell them out since the line guys want them gone.
 
BS its just a last ditch effort for you and the TWU to keep what ever dues you can coming in.
 
The TWU brought in the IBT last card drive to disrupt the count, and it worked. Split the line and O/H. AA turned in the list to the NMB same day while USAirways needed an extension, to accomplish the same. Just shows that AA has a brilliant H/R dept & a legal team that looks for any way to keep the TWU here. Keep the concessions coming until they have broke the employees. US did it twice, UAL as well, CAL did it multiple times to its rank and file. The only ones who made out are the Intl. officers. Now even the TWU is attempting to screw even the one who helped AA. YOUR hero Don V. 
 
It is not about the past and what happened O/S its about the future.
 
We want a vote, a say in which way our families and careers are to go. WE just believe the TWU is NOT the way.
 
I am hoping that the USAir guys feel the same about the IAM.

 
You skipped over a few facts. 1) That AMFA and the IBT had already given in to companies on outsourcing. The TWU was the last hold out and is still holding on to the most out of all the airlines and you find fault with that. You would rather just give up. Typical AMFA supporter response, sacrifice overhaul for higher line pay. 2) The TWU scope clause language maintains the a percentage of spend inhouse, only the IAM limits a percentage of work outsourced as well. AMFA and IBT contracts limit a specific amount of lines of work but give practically no protection when aircraft age or when the fleet grows. SInce a percentage tracks with fleet growth and age so will jobs that are kept inhouse.
 
The US guys showed how in to AMFA they are during their IBT vote...they have no interest in a BS rhetoric from AMFA.

 

[MetalMover]

 
You skipped over a few facts. 1) That AMFA and the IBT had already given in to companies on outsourcing. The TWU was the last hold out and is still holding on to the most out of all the airlines and you find fault with that. You would rather just give up. Typical AMFA supporter response, sacrifice overhaul for higher line pay. 2) The TWU scope clause language maintains the a percentage of spend inhouse, only the IAM limits a percentage of work outsourced as well. AMFA and IBT contracts limit a specific amount of lines of work but give practically no protection when aircraft age or when the fleet grows. SInce a percentage tracks with fleet growth and age so will jobs that are kept inhouse.
 
The US guys showed how in to AMFA they are during their IBT vote...they have no interest in a BS rhetoric from AMFA.

So you should not fear an AMFA vote if you are so confident they would be rejected.

 

[1AA]

AMFA this and AMFA that. Then you go on with IBT this and that as well.
Well the TWU was first with B scale, Flex benefits, OSM,SRP, junior mechanic.
All this to save jobs and overhaul. Did it work? NO. Jobs gone and still going.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

 
You skipped over a few facts. 1) That AMFA and the IBT had already given in to companies on outsourcing. The TWU was the last hold out and is still holding on to the most out of all the airlines and you find fault with that. You would rather just give up. Typical AMFA supporter response, sacrifice overhaul for higher line pay. 2) The TWU scope clause language maintains the a percentage of spend inhouse, only the IAM limits a percentage of work outsourced as well. AMFA and IBT contracts limit a specific amount of lines of work but give practically no protection when aircraft age or when the fleet grows. SInce a percentage tracks with fleet growth and age so will jobs that are kept inhouse.
 
The US guys showed how in to AMFA they are during their IBT vote...they have no interest in a BS rhetoric from AMFA.

 
O/S
 
I did not skip over any facts, as I said "NO matter which union is on the property companies have slashed O/H, & outsourced work". AA was the last due to the fact the TWU rolled over on its membership.     I think that it is just the way the airlines and big business is moving. send it overseas it's cheaper.
 
Sooner or later some one has to stand up and say "we have had enough" 
 
If the BIG Three IBT/IAM/TWU Unions are so powerful then why haven't they pushed to have things changed. Bringing the work back into this country. Where is the Lobby power of the AFL-CIO.
 
The TWU has rolled over so much in the sake of jobs it has lost it's ability to fight.
The membership has no faith in it any more. You can only lie so often before you get caught. The TWU is going to try to justify how the reduction of the numbers in Tulsa was coming. Use the blame game that AMFA and the IBT let the industry reduce O/H, that the TWU had no choice and that the TWU can't stop this.
 
Well our wages are at the bottom IBT and AMFA are at the top. We all got into this business to make money. "YES" we loved what we did as well, but its not the same any more. Most have multiple jobs to keep up with the cost of living since the TWU has not even done that.
 
Tulsa is a lower cost area of the country and as long as the TWU kept things there sunshine and lollipops dues continued to roll in and the TWU Intl. reps got rich.
 
The TWU Intl. seeing that is changing got rid of the ATD reps and is hoping this will
keep the TWU here at AA. As far as USAirways and the number of write in votes during the last IBT vote. No one there reached out to bring AMFA there. The IBT seeing an opportunity to get in there went door to door as they did here. Stomping for signatures telling them that the IBT would be better. But with all the info here and the IAM telling them they would loose the pension they stayed IAM.
 
Cards are being signed this time at USAirways and we will see. We Want a vote.
 
Instead of telling us how bad AMFA is you should be telling us all the good the TWU has done for OUR class and craft. Then lets see come vote time which union wins.