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[Drip E. Kwill]

twuer, "Dirty Deeds at MCI" 1) when the AMFA supporters had a chili dog lunch, 90% of the people attending wore AMFA t-shirts. Two days later HR put out a letter stating: The health department will not allow anyone to bring in food from the outside for health reasons. When the health dept. was contacted about this, they said they knew nothing about it, they could care less what we did. 2) Having a cake that said "Happy Retirement TWU", again HR sent a letter out stating that there was a committee in charge of retirements and that only they could provide retirement cakes. 3) AMFA sponsored donuts at break caused 2 of the AMFA supporters to be called in on a hearing for displainary action. (still unresolved at this posting). 4) Any AMFA informational fliers put out at break and lunch were picked up by the TWU stewards and thrown away. I have talked to the supervisors involved in some of these actions, they have agreed that HR and themselves are being pressured by TWU constantly to stop the AMFA movement. Most want to remain netural as they are required by the Railway Labor Act, but again are being pressured to stop us. You keep using the word ILLEGAL. What's illegal about what AMFA did. Against company POLICY is not ILLEGAL. You state that the company doesn't know who supplied the list to AMFA, too damn bad, I doubt that they will ever find out. Again AMFA and the NMB should have been given the list at the start so that everyone was on a level playing field. AA and TWU chose not to do this so AMFA obtained the list to set the record straight. If a level field is an advantage for AMFA, so be it. What AMFA does with the list could be considered unethical if it is sent to credit card companies or insurance companies like the IAM did with our "personal employee information". Again, I doubt that that is going to happen. Don't confuse the word "ILLEGAL", and "AGAINST COMPANY POLICY". They are not interchangable.

Poor flyguy...didn't you see the same AA policy letter pertaining to dinners and socials that I did, it was dated January 2004. You need to abide to policy. And the two amfa supporters you mention are organizers who disobeyed an order given by their supervisor. Smells of the same "I'm untouchable" attitude that Cunningham used to display.

Your "Dirty Deeds" seem to be excuses for ignorance by amfa @ MCIE, but then again..look who's leading them..oh boy.

And "Against Company Policy" will get you fired...wether legal or not.

 

[James T. Kirk]

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[flyguy767]

Drip E. Kwill, the letter dated Jan. 2004 only pretained to AMFA, since the TWU has never sponsored anything ( if they did, they would only need one box of donuts). The 2 mechanics you refer to that were brought up on charges did nothing wrong. True, they were told at the beginning of shift not to have a "donut feed for the hangar" as it was called by supervision. They didn't have anything to do with bringing the donuts in. There were several people that admitted to it in the presence of supervision, but were ignored. Their only fault was knowing about it just like about 100 other people. If you would have been around the breezeway like you and your goon buddies usually are during an AMFA event, you would have seen what went on. I guess you missed that one since you have figured out that intimidation doesn't work with us. Just like TWU, AA makes the rules up as they go along. Ironic that these "company policies" never existed before AMFA started their card drive. You are right about one thing though KNOWAMFA oops, I mean Drip e. Kwill, the policies pretain to everyone. When someone bitched about T.A. Hain having a concession stand (and was supposely using the profits to buy AMFA t-shirts) the person that complained about it ended up getting all the concessions shut down in the hangar. You wouldn't know anything about this would you? You probably should hit the sack now, as I know you are tired from your new graveyard shift.

 

[flyguy767]

James T. Kirk, Sorry that you have "INSUFFICIENT INTEREST". I take that to really mean: "No good reply". That's alright, just start a new forum and change the subject. It's worked for you guys in the past, it will still work now.

 

[Drip E. Kwill]

Drip E. Kwill, the letter dated Jan. 2004 only pretained to AMFA, since the TWU has never sponsored anything ( if they did, they would only need one box of donuts). The 2 mechanics you refer to that were brought up on charges did nothing wrong. True, they were told at the beginning of shift not to have a "donut feed for the hangar" as it was called by supervision. They didn't have anything to do with bringing the donuts in. There were several people that admitted to it in the presence of supervision, but were ignored. Their only fault was knowing about it just like about 100 other people. If you would have been around the breezeway like you and your goon buddies usually are during an AMFA event, you would have seen what went on. I guess you missed that one since you have figured out that intimidation doesn't work with us. Just like TWU, AA makes the rules up as they go along. Ironic that these "company policies" never existed before AMFA started their card drive. You are right about one thing though KNOWAMFA oops, I mean Drip e. Kwill, the policies pretain to everyone. When someone bitched about T.A. Hain having a concession stand (and was supposely using the profits to buy AMFA t-shirts) the person that complained about it ended up getting all the concessions shut down in the hangar. You wouldn't know anything about this would you? You probably should hit the sack now, as I know you are tired from your new graveyard shift.

I did not read the letter but I do not believe it stated it was for AMFA. If that is your AMFA spin then so be it, you all do it. Oh, but the two mechanics did do something wrong, or the supervisor would not have held a 29F, another spin or is this a blatant lie?

I was in the breezeway during all the AMFA hotdog/cake offerings. You truley do not know who I am. I, along with 80% of the others that showed, was there for the free food. Do you know we laugh at you AMFA supporters during these feeds? We do not contribute anything , but we do assist in "cleanup".

And please tell me, anyone that does not believe your lies, are they goons? Your ignorance is showing.

 

[flyguy767]

Drip E. Quill, sorry buddy but we all know you are Steve Connell, and you weren't in the breezeway, and the mechanics didn't do anything at all except be in attendance while everyone was eating donuts. All of the questions that were asked by their supervisor were written up by HR and given to him. The supervisor wrote down the mechanics replies and returned the Q&A's to HR. A second meeting went the same way, with questions written out for supervision to ask direct from HR. Nothing has come of it, so they are just hoping we will all forget that it ever happened. I believe the company is a little embarrassed about even starting a 29F hearing in the first place. Don't believe me, just those involved at the hearing. As far as the company policy letter, no it didn't say anything about AMFA, but common sense tells you it was directed at us because you guys haven't ever done anything like we have. Everything that we have promoted came from our own pockets, and we were happy to do it. We don't care if you helped us "clean up" or not, the food was there for the taking and there was plenty for everyone. Has TWU ever offered you anything? No and they never will. Laugh all you want, but we will get the last laugh.

 

[Drip E. Kwill]

Drip E. Quill, sorry buddy but we all know you are Steve Connell, and you weren't in the breezeway, and the mechanics didn't do anything at all except be in attendance while everyone was eating donuts. All of the questions that were asked by their supervisor were written up by HR and given to him. The supervisor wrote down the mechanics replies and returned the Q&A's to HR. A second meeting went the same way, with questions written out for supervision to ask direct from HR. Nothing has come of it, so they are just hoping we will all forget that it ever happened. I believe the company is a little embarrassed about even starting a 29F hearing in the first place. Don't believe me, just those involved at the hearing. As far as the company policy letter, no it didn't say anything about AMFA, but common sense tells you it was directed at us because you guys haven't ever done anything like we have. Everything that we have promoted came from our own pockets, and we were happy to do it. We don't care if you helped us "clean up" or not, the food was there for the taking and there was plenty for everyone. Has TWU ever offered you anything? No and they never will. Laugh all you want, but we will get the last laugh.

First off genius I am not who you suggest, and you are also wrong about me not being in the breezeway. Perhaps you do not see all and know all from Dock 12.

Have you spoken with the Company? How do arrive at your statement of them being embarrassed? Is it because you think, or surmise, that the Company is afraid of doing their job in handling disciplinary matters? I believe you have a mindset that is negative to my profession, that sir, is also the AMFA way, no wonder you embrace them. Peas in a pod.

 

[local 12 proud]

flyguy767, now thats not exactly true when you say the twu has never offered us anything. now how about the free popcorn and pepsi down at the union hall? and what about the occassional slogan shirt ? have you also forgotten the yearly pocket planner you recieve? i must admit though, the twu should also pony up and give each member a gallon of ky jelly during contract negotiations....ooopppps...i meant concessions.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

flyguy767, now thats not exactly true when you say the twu has never offered us anything. now how about the free popcorn and pepsi down at the union hall? and what about the occassional slogan shirt ? have you also forgotten the yearly pocket planner you recieve? i must admit though, the twu should also pony up and give each member a gallon of ky jelly during contract negotiations....ooopppps...i meant concessions.

Don't forget the FULL REVOTE we got.

 

[amt for amfa]

Twscrewer: I work in tulsa and have been talking to the scheme twu people on the dock lately. I know for a fact they know nothing about whats going on with the NMB. They only know what the AMFA people are telling them. When we explaine what's going on they run off to call Smart Luby. He gives them a few half true statements and they run back to try and impress us with their new knowledge. It's alot of fun but to see people like you who claim to know all about it is sad. You are the people who should know whats happening, not the international. You have the responsibility to protect and represent your local members, the int'l is only responsible for protecting the organization. Get off the bus and do something for yourself or you will be be booted out with the TWU.

 

[j7915]

Don't forget the FULL REVOTE we got.

You think think that that would have changed anything? Actually it did put pressure on Carty and got him out.

Second, either Little is lying, your line Ken, or finally accept the fact that there was a foul up in the ballot IDs and a few hundred member had to vote late.

I really doubt that the BK judge was in much of a mood to listen to any more delays, neither were the pilots. They respect us of course like they wanted the TWU to open talks with AA and vice versa, so that there would be money for the pilot's demands, remember that little discussion a few years ago?

Catch the latest, last year AA dropped their fuel hedging to raise cash to forstall bankruptcy, does that sound like a company that was flush with funds and only trying to screw the poor amts?

AMFA of course was created thru immaculate conception and they never, ever, have voting problems. They can also back out of BK court once the company discloses the facts to the judge...keep on dreaming.

 

[Decision 2004]

Mr Little stated that a re-vote would be required to have a legitimate ratification, not because of the 3200 pin number blunder, but because Carty, Carmine Romano, and 40+ others were lining their own pockets.

Yeah, the TWU assisted in getting Carty to resign, but our Local Officers have their heads up Carmine's ass 100% of the time everyday. He was one of the recipients of the SERP, why is he trusted now?

j7915, speaks as if we were already before a BK Judge and that he doubts the Judge "was in much of a mood to listen to any more delays". What a liar. You guys believe your own BS, and leave the rest of us wondering what reality you experienced.

Just for the record, here is the reason Little gave for need to re-vote:

 

[Bob Owens]

You think think that that would have changed anything? Actually it did put pressure on Carty and got him out.

Second, either Little is lying, your line Ken, or finally accept the fact that there was a foul up in the ballot IDs and a few hundred member had to vote late.

I really doubt that the BK judge was in much of a mood to listen to any more delays, neither were the pilots. They respect us of course like they wanted the TWU to open talks with AA and vice versa, so that there would be money for the pilot's demands, remember that little discussion a few years ago?

Catch the latest, last year AA dropped their fuel hedging to raise cash to forstall bankruptcy, does that sound like a company that was flush with funds and only trying to screw the poor amts?

AMFA of course was created thru immaculate conception and they never, ever, have voting problems. They can also back out of BK court once the company discloses the facts to the judge...keep on dreaming.

If we had a revote more than likely it would have been rejected, thats why the TWU would not allow it.

Vote late? Some here at JFK never got ballotts and I believe that no one from our Title group in SJU got them, I'll have to check on that.

Carty resigned, so what? How do TWU members force Little to resign? We cant.

What BK judge? AA had not filed. In BK we could have made the arguement that the TWU has a long history of giving the company billions of dollars worth of concessions, that compared to other similar airlines our contract terms were in no way "onerous" on the company and that the companys demands were unreasonable. We could have made the arguement that we agreed to engage in talks but the company was acting in a unilateral fashion and making unprecidented demands, demands that exceeded what either USAIR or UAL had even sought, never mind recieved.


Tell us more about the corporate styled "democracy" of the TWU.

 

[James T. Kirk]

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[Rusty]

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Kirk, if you have "INSUFFICIENT INTEREST" in this thread , why do you read it???