There you go again twuer. trying to toot your horn. You have said several time that you are AMFA's worst nightmare. EEEEK. LMAO You are really scaring us now, BWAAAHAAHA!!!twuer said:Okay, whatever Radman. Let's just say that I know a lot more than you think I do. Take that for what you will!!!
There Will Be An Election
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Radman would be so kind as to tell me what non class and craft you think has been added to the list. The company has always had the rule that you could not obtain another employee's personal information there have been others that have terminated on that very rule.Radman said:I don't know were you get your info but you need to fire him/her. The twu list has nor dead people on it than the company's, and the twu turned in only just above 2000 names (the company almost 9x that number). So I guess that we are not the twu's top priority. We did nothing illegal to obtain what we did for our dispute, but policy for the company may have changed since then
Why is everyone at TWU and AA upset that AMFA obtained the list of eligible employees that will be able to vote on the upcoming election? The NMB has requested this information in order to hold a legimate election. They were decieved by both TWU and AA. Both of these parties have had the information at their fingertips since day one. TWU knows exactly how many members it has and what speciality they are in. AA knows exactly how many employees that work for them, and what speciality they are also. What wasn't known by AMFA is this information that was needed in order to get a accurate count of employees eligible to vote. This is information that was requested by AMFA and the NMB. Both TWU and AA tried to throw the numbers off by adding deceased, retired, and laid-off people. They don't want to play on a level field. Now that AMFA has found the info it needs the TWU is bitching that AMFA has an unfair advantage. The only advantage that AMFA might have is having someone in the company that wants to see a fair election take place, someone with a conscious. It is obivious that AA doesn't want to see TWU replaced. They have been bed partners too long. Every airline that has attempted to switch to AMFA in the past has had this problem of "padded lists" to deal with. This only shows people that the company and union are just too buddy-buddy with each other. It's easier and cheaper to pay-off a few at the top than to pay the masses.
Unlike amfa we are doing things by the book. Are there ging to be mistakes, sure there are, on both sides! We have seen the likes of amfa and know how to play your game. You are putting words into my mouth again Radman. You're pretty good at that!! The only ones playing the fraudulent games are amfa with their illegally obtained list. That's already been proven Radman! Which was actually a pretty stupid stunt and then they blew the whistle on themselves!!!!
When I said I know more than you think I do, that is just what I meant. If you want to think (and start rumors) that what I do know is fraudulent then go right ahead. You're threats will not scare me or intimidate me. I will state again that I don't think there will be a vote. If I am wrong then I am wrong but from where I am standing it doesn't look like it will happen. You should pay attention to the amfa tactics instead of the TWU's. You would be surprised at the game they are playing!!! Just something to think about!!!
When I said I know more than you think I do, that is just what I meant. If you want to think (and start rumors) that what I do know is fraudulent then go right ahead. You're threats will not scare me or intimidate me. I will state again that I don't think there will be a vote. If I am wrong then I am wrong but from where I am standing it doesn't look like it will happen. You should pay attention to the amfa tactics instead of the TWU's. You would be surprised at the game they are playing!!! Just something to think about!!!
Sorry to disappoint you Russ, but I have no horn to toot and am not out to scare anyone. I was merely staing my opinion of things. You guys claim to know what is going on, I was just making the point that amfa is not the only ones with knowledge of this process.Rusty said:
twuer, if for some reason there won't be a vote, them the AMFA supporters will just start the card drive again. Having the list isn't illegal, it may be against company policy, but that's all. There is no law that I know of that backs up your statement. Like I stated before TWU and AA have had the info, why shouldn't AMFA and the NMB? If we have to start the drive again, I think with all the dirty deeds that TWU and AA have been doing, there shouldn't be any problem getting the required number of cards (if there is a next time needed).
Flyguy,flyguy767 said:
There is a right and wrong way, legal and illegal way to do things. Amfa chose the wrong and illegal way to do things. And because it benefits you, you and many others condone it. That's fine. As far as the lists go, well I can't justify dead `and retired etc on them. I do know that the TWU went through the list and found many who were not suppose to be on them. It was corrected and the process continues. As far as adding those who do belong, you guys are crying about that as well. The NMB has determined that those folks fall under the craft and class and all you want to do about it is cry that we are inflating the numbers. Can I help it if amfa's game is not a sharp as the TWU's?? You guys have already proven that you have to go to unconventional means to do anything regarding this process. That is a sure sign of desparation!!
Don't believe everything you hear (or read) Flyguy. It's too easy to get caught up in stuff and not see the whole picture. You are hearing half of the story. There is a lot that is going on behind the scenes (if you will). Radman wants to claim that what the TWU is doing is fraudulent. I have been hearing that for the past couple of months now. PROVE IT!!!!! if you think it is true. You can't, so you (amfa supporters in general) continue to cry about it. Like a said, signs of desparation. If you are losing the game you will do what you can to try to win. That is exactly what is happening here!!!
Since when is stealing NOT illegal Flyguy??? The list that amfa had in their possession was stolen (accessed illegally). That is a fact!! Who stole it, has yet to be determined!! If I am correct being an "accessory" is illegal as well.flyguy767 said:
Do you think that if amfa does start another card drive that they will be able to get as many cards?? I know in Tulsa that they didn't have as many this time as they did the last card drive a few years back. Now, what does that tell you???
Tell me Flyguy, what are these "dirty deeds" you are talking about?? Just things that you have been told and don't have proof of?? We are doing nothing wrong or illegal. You guys just don't like it so you start rumors that what we are doing is fraudulent and are "dirty deeds". What a game plan!!
James T. Kirk
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Flyguy you know as well as I do that that is an ABSOLUTE lie. The NMB requested a list of EMPLOYEES ON THE PAYROLE AND ANY EMOPLYEE ON LAYOFF STATUS. The NMB did not request from AA ALL PRIVET PERSONAL INFORMATION ON THE EMPLOYEES. I find totally incredible how the amfa supporter have a complete disregard for abiding by the rules or laws. The amfa supporters seem to have a mind set that they have the right to DISREARD any rule or BREAK any law to get an election. Well all I have to say is that the company had better terminate every person that was involved in stealing and distributing of OUR PRIVET PERSONAL INFORMATION.flyguy767 said:
James T. Kirk
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DON'T MAKE A BET ON THAT!flyguy767 said:
twuer, "Dirty Deeds at MCI" 1) when the AMFA supporters had a chili dog lunch, 90% of the people attending wore AMFA t-shirts. Two days later HR put out a letter stating: The health department will not allow anyone to bring in food from the outside for health reasons. When the health dept. was contacted about this, they said they knew nothing about it, they could care less what we did. 2) Having a cake that said "Happy Retirement TWU", again HR sent a letter out stating that there was a committee in charge of retirements and that only they could provide retirement cakes. 3) AMFA sponsored donuts at break caused 2 of the AMFA supporters to be called in on a hearing for displainary action. (still unresolved at this posting). 4) Any AMFA informational fliers put out at break and lunch were picked up by the TWU stewards and thrown away. I have talked to the supervisors involved in some of these actions, they have agreed that HR and themselves are being pressured by TWU constantly to stop the AMFA movement. Most want to remain netural as they are required by the Railway Labor Act, but again are being pressured to stop us. You keep using the word ILLEGAL. What's illegal about what AMFA did. Against company POLICY is not ILLEGAL. You state that the company doesn't know who supplied the list to AMFA, too damn bad, I doubt that they will ever find out. Again AMFA and the NMB should have been given the list at the start so that everyone was on a level playing field. AA and TWU chose not to do this so AMFA obtained the list to set the record straight. If a level field is an advantage for AMFA, so be it. What AMFA does with the list could be considered unethical if it is sent to credit card companies or insurance companies like the IAM did with our "personal employee information". Again, I doubt that that is going to happen. Don't confuse the word "ILLEGAL", and "AGAINST COMPANY POLICY". They are not interchangable.
Are these dirty deeds or did they just hurt your feelings???? Give me a break!!!!! Do you have proof that the TWU was behind these things you mentioned????
Like I said before Flyguy, I do know a little more than what you give me credit for. The list that amfa had was obtained illegally, by law or company policy, it does not matter!!!!! What part of that are you not getting?????? Pull your head out man!! Amfa cannot play by the rules. They play unethically at the "big" things, imagine what they will do with the "little" ones!!???
Like I said before Flyguy, I do know a little more than what you give me credit for. The list that amfa had was obtained illegally, by law or company policy, it does not matter!!!!! What part of that are you not getting?????? Pull your head out man!! Amfa cannot play by the rules. They play unethically at the "big" things, imagine what they will do with the "little" ones!!???
James T. Kirk, what information do you think AMFA has that isn't already known about you (or me) that was passed to the NMB? Every government agency out there has more info on us that we can even remember, from your first paycheck, taxes you have paid, donations make etc. Who the hell cares. Our lives are an open book in this society. Just ask someone that works for a credit card bureau, they can tell you about purchases you made that you've forgotten about. There isn't anything that American or any other agency has on me that is "earth shattering". Get over it. Now the NBM knows that you are a mechanic and you're eligible to vote. You would be more pissed if you're eligible and didn't get a card to vote wouldn't you? Be honest!
twuer, No my feeling aren't hurt. After 30 years in this industry I have some pretty thick skin. I don't care if you believe me or not about TWU putting pressure on HR and managment to stop the AMFA drive. If I told you all that I know about it, I would have to expose supervisors and some of your own stewards. I won't do that. I have no reason to not believe these people that are trying to remain neutral, or are some of your own that don't care one way or the other who represents us.
