The twu just spit in your face!

[737823]

"Ancillary duties", right? What ancillary duties do other classifications at UA & US have?

You act like $5 million is a tremendous sum, the IAM abandoned their members.

Josh

 

[700UW]

The IAM didnt abandon the TW employees and they werent members anymore.

 

[Kev3188]

Yes but this, pie in the sky, industry wide fight against the man, ain't gonna ever happen in this country.

It won't as long as people think it won't. Look, I'm glad things are going well for you and WN right now, but to think that you exist in a vacuum is just inaccurate.

Just show me who is leading this fight and show me the unions ready to stand together in this fight.

There are plenty of rank and file people already working to do so. Unfortunately, most union leaders are too busy empire building to join together for coffee, let alone real change for America's working class.

The IAM would rather have UAL outsource to ZW than other vendors

So would I; compared to the other options out there, they're not half bad.

Obviously, I would prefer no outsourcing at all...

You don't work for AA, UA or US yet you come on here as the expert of negotiations and union matters now don't you?

That'll do, Josh.

You two don't like each other; we get it.

That said, the man has plenty of experience in this arena, and while you certainly don't have to like it, you should at least recognize it.

 

[700UW]

Thanks Kevin for the nice words.

At little do people know I started my airline career with the original Midway Airlines at LGA, and then went to work for United in TPA, then Piedmont and US Air bought PI.

 

[WNMECH]

Thanks Kevin for the nice words.

At little do people know I started my airline career with the original Midway Airlines at LGA, and then went to work for United in TPA, then Piedmont and US Air bought PI.

Deleted.
While funny, still over the line.

 

[swamt]

THE TOPIS IS "The twu just spit in your face!" CAN WE GET BACK TO THIS TOPIC??

Yes 700 you can post whenever and wherever you like. But you do have a bad habbit of taking a lot of threads off topic. We don't give 2-####$ why or what you have done. Could care less of your "expertise" in the union and nego table. The fact is you are not a mech no were you ever and your just here to try and show your experience and knowledge even though your not even in the industry any longer. I would recommend that all posters ignore 700's post, as I will from here on out, not post any responces to 700, if the rest of you would do the same he will eventually go bye-bye. End of rant for off-topic subjects...

 

[700UW]

I have represented mechanics, I have negotiated for mechanics.

One's classification has nothing to do with their education, knowledge or skill level.

I have helped and presented arbitration cases for mechanics.

It's funny when someone doesnt like the topic and facts, they resort to personal attacks and insults.

 

[swamt]

I have represented mechanics, I have negotiated for mechanics.

One's classification has nothing to do with their education, knowledge or skill level.

I have helped and presented arbitration cases for mechanics.

It's funny when someone doesnt like the topic and facts, they resort to personal attacks and insults.

You make our EXACT point. You have represented mechanics and you were a stock clerk. Thank you. This is what the mechanics do not want anymore. Not saying you did not represent well. never said your knowledge and experience was not up to par, just stated that I didn't care to know about it as you constantly and constantly like to brag about, WE DON'T CARE!! That was not a personal attack as you claim, it's just fact that you constantly get off topic in many threads on this forum. And the mechanics want mechanics representing them not stock clerks, cleaners, truck drivers, grape pickers, bus drivers or anyone else other than mechanics. Since you are entitled to continue to gloat and brag on your history, I will follow my own advice and no longer respond. But your post above does in fact lay the law to why we want mechanics representing mechanics.

 

[700UW]

Funny an UPS Package Delivery driver was the IBT's lead rep and negotiator for the M&R at HP and those mechanics had the bottom of the barrel CBA and yet they are trying to get the ibt again.

And O.V Delle Femine was a mechanic for like two years and then was a butcher, yet he represented mechanics as the head of amfa and walked away with a pretty penny.

 

[lineguy43]

Funny an UPS Package Delivery driver was the IBT's lead rep and negotiator for the M&R at HP and those mechanics had the bottom of the barrel CBA and yet they are trying to get the ibt again.

And O.V Delle Femine was a mechanic for like two years and then was a butcher, yet he represented mechanics as the head of amfa and walked away with a pretty penny.

Probably became a butcher because no one can seem to negotiate decent wages and benefits for mechanics...Just sayn

 

[1AA]

Funny an UPS Package Delivery driver was the IBT's lead rep and negotiator for the M&R at HP and those mechanics had the bottom of the barrel CBA and yet they are trying to get the ibt again.

And O.V Delle Femine was a mechanic for like two years and then was a butcher, yet he represented mechanics as the head of amfa and walked away with a pretty penny.

. Your full of yourself. I personally met Mr. Dell'femine. Stop spreading your lies about the man. Your post is why we want out of the industrial unions and get our own class and craft union. You still don't get it do you?

 

[700UW]

He only worked for AA for two years and left the industry.

That is a fact. He worked as a butcher after he left AA.

 

[lineguy43]

He only worked for AA for two years and left the industry.

That is a fact. He worked as a butcher after he left AA.

Maybe the Twu should hire Del I have never seen a union that can butcher a contract like the Twu can..

 

[Real tired]

So in 2009 America West and US Airways wasn't the same company?

That is news to me.

I know I'm off topic, but since I most likey will soon be a TWU member, let me try to clarify this one.

Back in '09, we were one company. But we weren't. And to this day, we are truly are not one company. Only in name are we one.

We still to this day have a West maintenance Program, and an East Maintenance Program. We have East Crews, and West Crews with East Airbus and West Airbus, and the crews can not intermingle, or fly each others aircraft. The Flight Attendants have just voted on a combined contract, but yet have started to work each others aircraft, ie. East vs. West.

So yes, in '09 we were one in name but two different companies with two different cultures. Just as today.

But back then, AWA outsourced and US hardly did. AWA's 737's and Airbus were done "south of the boarder", and it amazed us when we found Latin American Jeppesen Manuals in the cockpits of the West Airbus for the first time.

So basically, after we combined certificates, they included the East N444US into the West group that was outsourced. But up until around that date, we did all the Heavy work on the 737. I remember because I did it.

 

[WNMECH]

I know I'm off topic, but since I most likey will soon be a TWU member, let me try to clarify this one.

Back in '09, we were one company. But we weren't. And to this day, we are truly are not one company. Only in name are we one.

We still to this day have a West maintenance Program, and an East Maintenance Program. We have East Crews, and West Crews with East Airbus and West Airbus, and the crews can not intermingle, or fly each others aircraft. The Flight Attendants have just voted on a combined contract, but yet have started to work each others aircraft, ie. East vs. West.

So yes, in '09 we were one in name but two different companies with two different cultures. Just as today.

But back then, AWA outsourced and US hardly did. AWA's 737's and Airbus were done "south of the boarder", and it amazed us when we found Latin American Jeppesen Manuals in the cockpits of the West Airbus for the first time.

So basically, after we combined certificates, they included the East N444US into the West group that was outsourced. But up until around that date, we did all the Heavy work on the 737. I remember because I did it.

Seems like a distinction without a difference to me.
I know for a fact that aircraft painted in US Airways colors, flying under the US Airways certificate were being overhauled at Aeroman for years before the first SWA aircraft was sent there.
Even original east aircraft were proven to be there in 2009.
But since you guys seem to draw a difference as to which aircraft you actually consider to be "US Airways", what is the date you consider is the date that US Airways started outsourcing to Aeroman?

How about September 2007 with the merger of operating certificates?

Or was it in 2009 with the line that N444US was in?

Or have they even started yet?