The twu just spit in your face!

[737823]

I have represented mechanics, I have negotiated for mechanics.

One's classification has nothing to do with their education, knowledge or skill level.

I have helped and presented arbitration cases for mechanics.

It's funny when someone doesnt like the topic and facts, they resort to personal attacks and insults.

They don't want stock clerks representing mechanics is that too hard for you to understand? Why is it ok for pilots, FAs and other classifications to have their own union but professional AMTs can't? The AMT craft is a respectable skilled profession, they invest time and money in their education, training and licensing why should they negotiate with other trades? If an AMT signs off on an aircraft that isn't safe they can lose their license, does that happen to stock clerks that bring the wrong part?

The IAM promotes division, look at all the divisive agreements they have put in front of the membership recently: outsourcing all but seven UAL stations by 2016 (dividing hub/outstation personnel), eliminating pension for new hires at Caterpillar and Lockheed Martin, ready reserve at Hawiian, all of that is divisional. You call AMTs elitist in their attitude, they are professionals that expect to be compensated as such, not dragged down by stock clerks and other classifications.

Josh

 

[Real tired]

Seems like a distinction without a difference to me.
I know for a fact that aircraft painted in US Airways colors, flying under the US Airways certificate were being overhauled at Aeroman for years before the first SWA aircraft was sent there.
Even original east aircraft were proven to be there in 2009.
But since you guys seem to draw a difference as to which aircraft you actually consider to be "US Airways", what is the date you consider is the date that US Airways started outsourcing to Aeroman?

How about September 2007 with the merger of operating certificates?

I'll try to answer, again a little off topic.

You have to remember, since then and before that date, a lot, and I mean a lot has happened to us and maybe my memory is a little fuzzy.

But in '07, we had started our outsourcing frenzy, but most of it (East was to ST Aerospace in AL. None of the East was done at Aeroman until we had heard about N444US, which may have been one of the first to go south. At that time, most if not all of the AWA original aircraft went south.

 

[WNMECH]

I'll try to answer, again a little off topic.

You have to remember, since then and before that date, a lot, and I mean a lot has happened to us and maybe my memory is a little fuzzy.

But in '07, we had started our outsourcing frenzy, but most of it (East was to ST Aerospace in AL. None of the East was done at Aeroman until we had heard about N444US, which may have been one of the first to go south. At that time, most if not all of the AWA original aircraft went south.

A have to say that it seems a little convenient for you to say that one of the first east aircraft to Aeroman is the the only east aircraft I have proven to have been there in 2009.
However since I don't feel like pulling the ACARS data for US flights into El Salvador right now, I will let it go.
Because ultimately I believe that this "east planes are east and west planes are west" argument doesn't mean much.
US Airways aircraft were overhauled at Aeromar for years before SWA first plane was sent there.
Fact.

 

[700UW]

Since you dont understand joshie let me explain this to you.

Maybe Airline employees dont want a bank teller posting about labor at airlines which you know nothing about.

The NMB has ruled that pilots are their own class and craft, the NMB ruled that the Flight Attendants are their own class and craft, that is why they have their own unions for the most part, as the IBT does represent some pilots in the industry.

The NMB has ruled that Mechanics, Utility, Cleaners, MOC, Inspectors, QA, Tech Documents, and a few others are in the same class and craft, that is why there isnt a mechanics only union, as even amfa has to represent cleaners/utility.

 

[700UW]

By the way joshie, this thread isnt about lockeed martin, United nor caterpillar.

 

[1AA]

By the way joshie, this thread isnt about lockeed martin, United nor caterpillar.

It seems to be all about you and your long list of accomplishments representing various work groups in a catch all industrial union. Congrats on your past achievements. We are done with the catch all unions. We are now looking forward of ridding ourselves of the industrial unions and moving forward to a real class and craft union that represents the M&R group of skilled workers. Hint, Hint.

 

[Vortilon]

Since you dont understand joshie let me explain this to you.

Maybe Airline employees dont want a bank teller posting about labor at airlines which you know nothing about.

The NMB has ruled that pilots are their own class and craft, the NMB ruled that the Flight Attendants are their own class and craft, that is why they have their own unions for the most part, as the IBT does represent some pilots in the industry.

The NMB has ruled that Mechanics, Utility, Cleaners, MOC, Inspectors, QA, Tech Documents, and a few others are in the same class and craft, that is why there isnt a mechanics only union, as even amfa has to represent cleaners/utility.

All your post does, is help to illustrate how the catch all industrial unions are working hand in hand with the NMB to ensure AMTs have to be diluted with other work groups to control them. Pure politics, and nothing to do with logic and common sense. However, yet another reason for AMTs to move towards AMFA to fix the system, and correct the AMT classification farce that currently exists at the NMB.

 

[700UW]

Amfa tried to get the class and craft changed to eliminate utility/cleaners and it was denied.

 

[TRAVIS]

Here 700 GO GET YOU SOME 2 or 3 years of fun: http://www.spartan.edu

After the A/P LICENSE that is only a license to learn as most of my A/P brothers know, you will need to see this man. www.snapon.com

After some were around $10k you will have a good tool set.

Now add 100's of hours of training on all types of Aircraft.

Now add the Responsibility of a Doctor who operates on 100's of people a day.(STRESS that we take as part of the job)

Now Have The Parts Boy SET YOUR WAGE.

Or just buy a rag and a can of 409 and be a cleaner with no high school diploma and make the same hourly wage.

It doesn't take much common sense to see how unions have used the AMT's to boost wages for the cleaners and others at the expense of the AMT's wages AS COMPANY'S don't want to pay High hourly wages to a high school drop-out.

The IAM soon will have no Airline AMT's. have a nice day.. B)

 

[swamt]

Here 700 GO GET YOU SOME 2 or 3 years of fun: http://www.spartan.edu

After the A/P LICENSE that is only a license to learn as most of my A/P brothers know, you will need to see this man. www.snapon.com

After some were around $10k you will have a good tool set.

Now add 100's of hours of training on all types of Aircraft.

Now add the Responsibility of a Doctor who operates on 100's of people a day.(STRESS that we take as part of the job)

Now Have The Parts Boy SET YOUR WAGE.

Or just buy a rag and a can of 409 and be a cleaner with no high school diploma and make the same hourly wage.

It doesn't take much common sense to see how unions have used the AMT's to boost wages for the cleaners and others at the expense of the AMT's wages AS COMPANY'S don't want to pay High hourly wages to a high school drop-out.

The IAM soon will have no Airline AMT's. have a nice day.. B)

Your final statement is dead-on. AMFA wanted the cleaners and utility out of the "related" category of the AMT's. This just goes to show you how AMFA is desired to be a fully independent craft union for mechanics, just like most all the pilots and F/A's have gone to. I would at least get separate contracts for your utility and cleaners. It greatly benefited us here when we got the cleaners out of our contract. After AA brings AMFA in at AA, you guys will become AMFA after merger is complete, but, watch how the AMFA members at AA will all be included to attend the mechanics integration nego's, and the IAM boys will not be allowed. It was quite funny to watch the teamsters allow observers at the SWA/AT integration nego's, however, none of them were allowed to speak or give input, it was all being controlled by ibt international level as well as their looser attorney Josh M.. Now the IAM could very well do the same thing and allow observers, but that would look too much like "copying" the AMFA way of doing things, and it would drastically backfire on them as it would make them look like they fully support the way AMFA operates. Now they just couldn't have that now could they??

 

[700UW]

Observers are asked to leave when confidential information is exchanged, that has happened at NW before.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Observers are asked to leave when confidential information is exchanged, that has happened at NW before.

The twu just spit in your face.

 

[pjirish317]

Your final statement is dead-on. AMFA wanted the cleaners and utility out of the "related" category of the AMT's. This just goes to show you how AMFA is desired to be a fully independent craft union for mechanics, just like most all the pilots and F/A's have gone to. I would at least get separate contracts for your utility and cleaners. It greatly benefited us here when we got the cleaners out of our contract. After AA brings AMFA in at AA, you guys will become AMFA after merger is complete, but, watch how the AMFA members at AA will all be included to attend the mechanics integration nego's, and the IAM boys will not be allowed. It was quite funny to watch the teamsters allow observers at the SWA/AT integration nego's, however, none of them were allowed to speak or give input, it was all being controlled by ibt international level as well as their looser attorney Josh M.. Now the IAM could very well do the same thing and allow observers, but that would look too much like "copying" the AMFA way of doing things, and it would drastically backfire on them as it would make them look like they fully support the way AMFA operates. Now they just couldn't have that now could they??

Why wouldn't the IAM boys be allowed? If AMFA wins at AA, and tha IAM is still the bargaining agent at US, wouldn't the two naturally be included in intergration negotiations, at leats until a single bargaining agent was certified?

 

[blue collar]

Why wouldn't the IAM boys be allowed? If AMFA wins at AA, and tha IAM is still the bargaining agent at US, wouldn't the two naturally be included in intergration negotiations, at leats until a single bargaining agent was certified?

He's speaking of observers at the negotiations.

 

[WNMECH]

He's speaking of observers at the negotiations.

He is saying the IAM probably won't allow rank and file members on their side, to attend the SLI negotiations as observers.