The new fAAmily is feuding already!

[700UW]

AA had a cost problem but has nearly completed a successful reorganization through chapter 11 to bring costs in line.

US on other hand HAS a revenue problem, largely a product of the markets they serve that are generally produce lower revenues (and lucrative premium O&D traffic) than AA's hubs, ie MIA.

US is profitable under a low revenue and low cost model. Put another way, 72% of the equity in the combined carrier is for legacy AA, remaining 28% for US. So at a time when AA is in the toilet, it is worth nearly 3x that of US at a (near) record high market capitalization.

Again I think all the proponents of this merger will quickly realize in 12-18 months what a disaster it is and the so called "synergies" will not materialize, certainly at the level DP and his team have been touting.

Josh

Guess you havent seen US has been making record profits.
 
And AA is the #3 Airline in the US, and US Airways is #5, compare apples to apples not oranges.
 
And US has been out of bankruptcy for over eight years, cant say the same about AA, now can you?

 

[737823]

Guess you havent seen US has been making record profits.
 
And AA is the #3 Airline in the US, and US Airways is #5, compare apples to apples not oranges.
 
And US has been out of bankruptcy for over eight years, cant say the same about AA, now can you?

Again they are indeed profitable under a low revenue and low cost model. Those concessions you oh so proudly facilitated and then bounced after they were implemented.

I stand by my above post, AA bond holders, employees, and shareholders are getting a disroportionately larger share of the equity than US shareholders and again that is pity airlines valuations when it is making "record profits", to borrow your term.

Josh

 

[700UW]

low revenue?
 
US has some of the highest RASM in the industry.
 
I see your lying again, but we are all use to that.
 
Our CBA was abrogated in chapter 11 bankruptcy court, maybe you should actually take the time and educate yourself on what that means, oh wait you wont, you would rather post lies like usual.
 
And funny how smaller US was able to merge "acquire" AA.

 

[robbedagain]

E I was coutering wt and josh posts.... I was stating that wn costs are not as low as they used to be and the fact that united and continental merger has been a disaster but wt does not seem to see or admit that as he rails the usairways and american merger

 

[Thomas Paine]

Guess you havent seen US has been making record profits.
 
And AA is the #3 Airline in the US, and US Airways is #5, compare apples to apples not oranges.
 
And US has been out of bankruptcy for over eight years, cant say the same about AA, now can you?

Out of Bankruptcy for eight years and still at the bottom of the industry. When is the IAM going to do something about that? EIGHT YEARS OUT OF BK and still working under a BK deal!!!!

 

[700UW]

Wrong again,
 
Working under a post chapter 11 transition agreement, and US still makes more than you at AA AMTs, and have a pension, and scope language that you dont have.
 
Been in Section 6 negotiations for over two years, waiting for the board to release into a 30 day cooling off period.
 
And your union was negotiating how many years after your 2003 non-bankruptcy concessions and they pulled the rug out from under you and filed chapter 11.
 
I guess you forgot US filed chapter 11 twice, in 2002 and 2004.  Yet the IAM CBA is superior to yours.

 

[Thomas Paine]

You are still at the bottom, you just have company. Eight years after exiting Bankruptcy and your mechanics are still making less than they were when US went into Bankruptcy nearly 12 years ago. That's pretty pathetic, almost as pathetic as your sole defense being that AA , which is still in BK pays a few pennies less than US. The fact is they both suck and are nowhere near Post Bankruptcy United or Delta nevermind Southwest.
 
One difference between you and I is you come here and try and justify your unions miserable performance, I come here and criticize my unions miserable performance. I expect better, you don't.
 How many more decades are you going to use the fact that you are working "under a post c-11 transition agreement"  for your unions miserable performance? Admit it, its a crappy deal and there is no excuse for it. EIGHT F'ING YEARS!!!!!!!!!

 

[700UW]

And you are making what compared to the 2003 voluntary concessions?
 
And its quite clear you dont understand the Section 1113 C process in bankruptcy nor do you understand the RLA.
 
You guys when what six years negotiating before chapter 11 and reached no agreement?
 
US filed bankruptcy TWICE, in 2002 and 2004 and we had our CBA abrogated (do you know what that means?) in 2005.
 
Had one transition agreement in 2008 and section 6 negotiations have been going on for over two years and have asked since June to be released and the NMB wont.

So Mr Genius, tell us what we are suppose to do when the RLA prevents normal negotiations?
 
And the fine AMTs at US are working safe.

 

[Thomas Paine]

And you are making what compared to the 2003 voluntary concessions?
 
And its quite clear you dont understand the Section 1113 C process in bankruptcy nor do you understand the RLA.
 
You guys when what six years negotiating before chapter 11 and reached no agreement?
 
US filed bankruptcy TWICE, in 2002 and 2004 and we had our CBA abrogated (do you know what that means?) in 2005.
 
 

What's clear is that UA came out of BK AFTER US and they make more. They just turned down an offer from UAL that's more than what you are even asking for. Once again, what part of I admit that our deal sucks don't you understand?

 

[737823]

And you are making what compared to the 2003 voluntary concessions?
 
And its quite clear you dont understand the Section 1113 C process in bankruptcy nor do you understand the RLA.
 
You guys when what six years negotiating before chapter 11 and reached no agreement?
 
US filed bankruptcy TWICE, in 2002 and 2004 and we had our CBA abrogated (do you know what that means?) in 2005.
 
Had one transition agreement in 2008 and section 6 negotiations have been going on for over two years and have asked since June to be released and the NMB wont.

So Mr Genius, tell us what we are suppose to do when the RLA prevents normal negotiations?
 
And the fine AMTs at US are working safe.

Try three years company boy, the TWU agreements became amendable in 2008 following the 2003 RPA. Guess you didn't realize they reached a tentative agreement in Summer 2010 that membership later rejected, it's called democracy can you not grasp that concept? The IAM has allowed US to prolong negotiations and the complacent leadership that conditioned you to defend this nonsense is large part of the reason things have not been turned around.

Josh

 

[700UW]

The IBT hasnt even intergrated the CO/UA AMTs.
 
UA filed bankruptcy once, not twice, and they didnt have their CBA abrogated in court.
 
The CO and UA mechanics are two separate groups working under two separate CBAs.
 
UA has mechanics on layoff and CO is hiring off the streets.
 
The IBT hasnt brought any work back in-house.
 
US does more overhaul than UA/CO, DL, WN, and now AA.
 
And the IBT hasnt negotiated a JCBA, now have they?
 
And do you not understand that we have been in mediated negotiations for over two years and the NMB wont release the IAM into the 30 day cooling off period?
 
Nice deflection, keep avoiding the facts and try to deflect by throwing UA into the mix when they arent party too it.
 
The UA folks dont have a pension, at US the all three IAM represented groups have a defined benefit plan, UA doesnt nor do you at AA.
 
Now care to stick to the facts?
 
By the way, let me educate your, US exited bankruptcy in 2005, it is now 2013, 2013-2005 is eight years, how do you get twelve?
 
A Transition agreement was negotiated in 2008, so that makes five years now, and been in Section 6 negotiations for two years.
 
Like I said, dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[700UW]

Try three years company boy, the TWU agreements became amendable in 2008 following the 2003 RPA. Guess you didn't realize they reached a tentative agreement in Summer 2010 that membership later rejected, it's called democracy can you not grasp that concept? The IAM has allowed US to prolong negotiations and the complacent leadership that conditioned you to defend this nonsense is large part of the reason things have not been turned around.

Josh

Hey hypocrite,
 
You chastise the IAM and yet you praise the TWU.
 
You are truly clueless.
 
Do you understand the concept of the NMB and the Railway Labor Act, because its clear you dont.
 
GO back to your bridge, and Rick will be talking to you for posting while you are working, and I know for a fact you were.

 

[737823]

I posted facts, not lies. I am no fan of the TWU either just stating facts.

Josh

 

[700UW]

You post lies and misinformation all the time.

 

[737823]

Guess you can't refute what I posted about TWU negotiations, you were dead wrong. Again they opened negotiations in 2008 and reached an agreement in 2010 that later got rejected. Don't let the facts get in your way.

Josh