The new fAAmily is feuding already!

[silverbird007]

Pic of WT! After hearing DL is #3!!

 

[Kev3188]

Too bad AA or Usairways cant just hamstring a union vote, then threten the vocal ones...it always seems to put worker drones back in lockstep..

Worked well for the new delta"..

 
 
Still does...

 

[WorldTraveler]

This thread is not about DL 744s but about labor integration in the airline industry and why it has created enormous issues in one merger after another.

If Kev wants to talk about labor integration at DL, then he we can certainly bring DL into the equation. The DL/NW merger occurred five years ago and DL has an integrated workforce. Many more years after the US/HP merger, AA's workforce is still not integrated.

UA's FAs are proving to be one of the more difficult labor groups to integrate.

If the same rancor that took place between US/HP pilots or is occurring between UA/CO FAs makes its way into the AA merger in any labor group, AA/US will operate far short of its potential for years.

There is abundant evidence in the airline industry to show how bad labor relations - including infighting between labor groups - has cost many airlines hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue and customer goodwill.

 

[BigMac]

I think it's funny...  Not even a week and already signs of the reality sinking in....    Can't wait to start hearing the "we bought you..." lines.
 
You wanted merger?  You got merger...
It's what you all wanted... correct?
I hope that you were prepared for this, considering you wanted it so much.
 
I am sure though that the government will be there to help ya o.....    Ohh wait.  The government was only worried about making sure that people flying in and out of IT, could do so cheaply in the coming years.  They got their 50 sum slots back for re-allocation to low fare carriers...  That's all they cared about.
 
Ohhh well, I guess that'll be your guys' fight.  You'll have to figure it out on your own.  We (the government) got what we needed.
 
Don't count on arbitrators or anything like that....
 
 
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Now sit back and watch the fireworks....

Nope, didn't want the merger and also didn't want TWA. Acquiring dead weight to be #1 is silly.

 

[A320 Driver]

Nope, didn't want the merger and also didn't want TWA. Acquiring dead weight to be #1 is silly.

We'll pull our weight... just get rid of USAPA ASAP and everything will be lovely.

 

[MetalMover]

We'll pull our weight... just get rid of USAPA ASAP and everything will be lovely.

Isn't that a possibility considering the size of the AA pilot group?

 

[AirwAr]

This thread is not about DL 744s but about labor integration in the airline industry and why it has created enormous issues in one merger after another.

If Kev wants to talk about labor integration at DL, then he we can certainly bring DL into the equation. The DL/NW merger occurred five years ago and DL has an integrated workforce. Many more years after the US/HP merger, AA's workforce is still not integrated.

UA's FAs are proving to be one of the more difficult labor groups to integrate.

If the same rancor that took place between US/HP pilots or is occurring between UA/CO FAs makes its way into the AA merger in any labor group, AA/US will operate far short of its potential for years.

There is abundant evidence in the airline industry to show how bad labor relations - including infighting between labor groups - has cost many airlines hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue and customer goodwill.

 
Why did the board think that Parker would have better labor relations at the New AA...when he wasn't even able to get labor to work together at US/HP?

 

[WorldTraveler]

very good question.

The operational difficulties of just over a year ago might have had something to do with it.

Parker has managed to keep the lid on his labor.

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

I am not familiar with the US contract but the bridge agreement we signed with Parker sounds pretty good and I am looking forward to getting a raise next month when the merger closes. There's a Facebook group I am thinking of deleting myself off because it seems to be populated entirely by very angry US Airways flight attendants who support AFA taking over, as well as a smattering of former TWA AA stews that hate Laura Glading and still hold a grudge against APFA. The US FAs that I have talked to seem focused on making sure the US way of doing things becomes the new "American way" by getting rid of rotating reserve (going back to straight reserve, which would not be a QOL improvement for us) and other things such as getting rid of first-come-first-served jumpseating and going back to seniority, also a big QOL disaster for those of us who are junior. If this is how US FAs are going to welcome us, I am not looking forward to integration at all. The AFA leadership I'm sure is looking at all of us and seeing big dues money potential, and I don't appreciate being drooled on in such a manner.

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

Does anyone have the latest numbers of the relative size of US FA's vs AAs and if they are large enough to trigger a representational election?

 

[dfw gen]

Hate and discontent is rampant at american airlines.business as usual !

 

[Kev3188]

Does anyone have the latest numbers of the relative size of US FA's vs AAs and if they are large enough to trigger a representational election?

I don't have them, but surely it's gotta be close?

 

[mike33]

I don't have them, but surely it's gotta be close?

 Not even....AA out numbers US by more than 2-1...  18000 to 8000. If they can't settle then Parker will be laughing all the way to the bank. He has this wired. So to speak.

 

[diamondcutter]

This thread is not about DL 744s but about labor integration in the airline industry and why it has created enormous issues in one merger after another.If Kev wants to talk about labor integration at DL, then he we can certainly bring DL into the equation. The DL/NW merger occurred five years ago and DL has an integrated workforce. Many more years after the US/HP merger, AA's workforce is still not integrated.UA's FAs are proving to be one of the more difficult labor groups to integrate.If the same rancor that took place between US/HP pilots or is occurring between UA/CO FAs makes its way into the AA merger in any labor group, AA/US will operate far short of its potential for years.There is abundant evidence in the airline industry to show how bad labor relations - including infighting between labor groups - has cost many airlines


hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue and customer goodwill.

Wt before you go on and on . There is only 60 days to negotiate the combined fa contract then it goes to binding arbitration. Check your facts .

 

[Kev3188]

Not even....AA out numbers US by more than 2-1...  18000 to 8000.

I meant close enough to trigger an election. Sorry.