The Apfa Is Worthless..................

[local 12 proud]

No...................................................

obviously you have'nt seen the twu contract :down: :down: :down:

 

[buhbye]

MiAAmi,

I have a VERY dry sense of humor.
I like to put things in a very simple, visual way.....................
I apologize if my sarcasim was misunderstood.

I do not think everything is with out hope!

There are solutions! Positive ones!
I see GREAT things for the F/A's at AA.

However the problems are VERY serious.

These solutions however; are NOT going to be solved by or in the middle of the Ward v. Gibbs 'political action.'
............................. Or I belive Bush refers to it as a "situation" now.........lol

 

[buhbye]

obviously you have'nt seen the twu contract :down: :down: :down:

Well, I am glad to know it was system wide saving the pilots pensions!

 

[MiAAmi]

MiAAmi,

I have a VERY dry sense of humor.
I like to put things in a very simple, visual way.....................
I apologize if my sarcasim was misunderstood.

I do not think everything is with out hope!

There are solutions! Positive ones!
I see GREAT things for the F/A's at AA.

However the problems are VERY serious.

These solutions however; are NOT going to be solved by or in the middle of the Ward v. Gibbs 'political action.'
............................. Or I belive Bush refers to it as a "situation" now.........lol

I appreciate humor but I think when you title a thread "APFA is worthless" you tend to alienate a lot of people. We are all for good ideas but you haven't stated any yet. If you are trying to get across to us that you are frustrated with things we get it. I have yet to hear those ideas that the TWA folks had on saving jobs.

 

[Flyboy4u]

I have yet to hear those ideas that the TWA folks had on saving jobs.

1. Be prepared for negotiations in advance instead of waiting until the last minute.
2. Reduce or eliminate speaker pay
3. Reduce or eliminate International pay
4. Reduce or eliminate purser pay.
5. Reduce the # of FSMs


That would have been a good start and I am not even TWA which I am sure they had better ideas, however, were never given a chance to be heard. It seems the APFA's answer was just to eliminate F/A's overall. Some kind of a union! :angry:



What Unity?

 

[FA Mikey]

I have every right to blame the institution of apfa!!

They were the 'union' (I am using that word VERY lightly) The ones who were supposed to represent the FLIGHT ATTENDANTS! To count their vote, to do as the membership wanted!

I have to tell you, WE are the union. Its not some outside entity, we hire on. We are responsible for its health and viability. We are it members, who must run, support and finance it. If we sit on web boards and jump seats doing NOTHING but complaining about its current state, while doing nothing to inact a positive change. Then you are not much better than the idiots in to office.

 

[buhbye]

Who says I am not doing something?


I will say this.
I know for a fact that are many things not on the up & up.

Many things.

But, things always have a way of coming out in the wash..............


As far as the title of the thread.......................Got you alls attention didn't it?

 

[FA Mikey]

1. Be prepared for negotiations in advance instead of waiting until the last minute.
2. Reduce or eliminate speaker pay
3. Reduce or eliminate International pay
4. Reduce or eliminate purser pay.
5. Reduce the # of FSMs


That would have been a good start and I am not even TWA which I am sure they had better ideas, however, were never given a chance to be heard. It seems the APFA's answer was just to eliminate F/A's overall. Some kind of a union! :angry:



What Unity?

Please, we need good ideas. Eliminate pay on speaker? Yea right I have a hard enough time getting speakers to do announcements. International pay, is there due to the fact that they have fewer work rules, much longer work days and additional training than domestic. Lose Purser pay? We have enough problem getting people to fill this awful position. No extra pay, and then most pursers will be forced junior people. Where is this overage of FSM's? I have a hard enough time trying locate mine or even have to make an appointment due to his back log.

Want to save money these and nickel and dime things that will bite us in the butt sooner or later. Want to save money lose the FN bases, cut there free meals on every flight, along with there other free perks. Like free dry cleaning. Scheduling efficiency's both crews and a/c will go a lot farther towards saving money.

Bit of advise, when you want to save the company money. You dont do it by telling them to cut your own pay. Find immaterial things to cut. They took enough pay and work rules from us. Cut your nose off despite your face, not a good idea.

 

[Flyboy4u]

Mikey


I said either REDUCE or eliminate. None of these were even considered. You say these items are peanuts... I beg to differ...add them up. I agree FN's shouldnt even be flying at a time like this. So what if the junior man has to be purser at least they would have a job instead of on the street like we are now...All I am saying is NOTHING was looked at or even considered. Agreed speakers never even made announcements as contracetd, so why in the hell should they get more money for it....Every cent could have possibly saved a job and was never even looked at. International pay...why not reduce it? What harder work rules do you have as an international f/a? So the senior f/a's won't work international trips because the pay is less...at least the jr one would have a job....I expected these typical responses to my post from Naatives on the line!

 

[TransWorldONE]

"So the senior f/a's won't work international trips because the pay is less...at least the jr one would have a job"

Flyboy4u
That is the Gods honest truth, plus add cross-utilization, why have two reserve pools (goodness this might unify), maybe make the Purser the Speaker. I don't think schedualing would have trouble finding people to work international.

Unfortunatly, There aren't many nAAtives that are willing to give up anything in order to bring some of us back.

 

[jimntx]

Please, we need good ideas. Eliminate pay on speaker? Yea right I have a hard enough time getting speakers to do announcements.

Yes, Mike, and speakers who refuse to "speak" should be fired for theft. They have no problem collecting the premium, but they don't want to do the job.

When I was still flying, I was #1 on a flight to Mexico. The seat belt sign came on because we were in some really bumpy air. I waited and waited for the speaker to make a PA, but she just sat on the back jumpseat (on a S80, i could see her from F/C) and read a magazine. Finally, I made the seatbelt PA, and went on about my business.

The speaker came marching up the aisle to the F/C galley and practically yelled at me that I was to keep my mouth shut because every time I said something, she HAD to translate it. That her position as speaker meant that she determined what would or would not be announced. I pointed out the FAA requirement for the seatbelt announcement. Her response, "F**k the FAA."

For this we pay extra?

P.S. Yes, I reported the incident to Professional Standards. The response was that she had been reported more than once for similar incidents. As far as I know, she's still flying and still gettting paid for "speaking."

 

[TransWorldONE]

Damn, I thought WE had some Prima Donna's. She sounds like a wonderful person.

 

[buhbye]

I agree FN's shouldnt even be flying at a time like this.

So what if the junior man has to be purser at least they would have a job instead of on the street like we are now...

All I am saying is NOTHING was looked at or even considered.
Every cent could have possibly saved a job and was never even looked at. International pay...why not reduce it? What harder work rules do you have as an international f/a?

So the senior f/a's won't work international trips because the pay is less...at least the jr one would have a job....

I expected these typical responses to my post from Naatives on the line!

Well this is the problem.

The thing is the "agendas" going on at the apfa.

Some have been in the works for 4, yes......FOUR years!
Some longer.................................

They are no longer capable of looking out for the best interest of the FLIGHT ATTENDANTS!

Needless to say we are made to suffer because WE, the membership are just pawns in these games of corruption and deceit.

NO FLIGHT ATTENDANT needed to be furloughed!

There were plans, ways to salvage our contract, retain our members and still temporarily assit the company to a financial recovery.

There are those who have a plan.
Who have hope. Who can visualize the light at the end of the tunnel.
Who know how to restore our pride and dignity!

Unfortunatly it is not from with in the apfa.

The fact is we better open our eyes, and listen to anything else but the propoganda that comes from the apfa.

There a few, (and I mean that literaly) who in my opinion are not on the take.

However it is impossible to expell those who have been doing those things for YEARS!

But, then again maybe not?

 

[AACREWMEMBER]

Well this is the problem.

The thing is the "agendas" going on at the apfa.

Some have been in the works for 4, yes......FOUR years!
Some longer.................................

They are no longer capable of looking out for the best interest of the FLIGHT ATTENDANTS!

Needless to say we are made to suffer because WE, the membership are just pawns in these games of corruption and deceit.

NO FLIGHT ATTENDANT needed to be furloughed!

There were plans, ways to salvage our contract, retain our members and still temporarily assit the company to a financial recovery.

There are those who have a plan.
Who have hope. Who can visualize the light at the end of the tunnel.
Who know how to restore our pride and dignity!

Unfortunatly it is not from with in the apfa.

The fact is we better open our eyes, and listen to anything else but the propoganda that comes from the apfa.

There a few, (and I mean that literaly) who in my opinion are not on the take.

However it is impossible to expell those who have been doing those things for YEARS!

But, then again maybe not?

I agree with you 100%, no flight attendants needed to be furloughed. Those that are complaining the most are the same people that voted yes for the RPA or never bothered in voting.
TWA f/a's were willing to help and what did Ward do, he gave them the shaft. In the end, it will come back to bite him if not haunt him, and I hope is soon rather than later.

What a disgrace to unionism

 

[Garfield1966]

Yes, Mike, and speakers who refuse to "speak" should be fired for theft. They have no problem collecting the premium, but they don't want to do the job.

When I was still flying, I was #1 on a flight to Mexico. The seat belt sign came on because we were in some really bumpy air. I waited and waited for the speaker to make a PA, but she just sat on the back jumpseat (on a S80, i could see her from F/C) and read a magazine. Finally, I made the seatbelt PA, and went on about my business.

The speaker came marching up the aisle to the F/C galley and practically yelled at me that I was to keep my mouth shut because every time I said something, she HAD to translate it. That her position as speaker meant that she determined what would or would not be announced. I pointed out the FAA requirement for the seatbelt announcement. Her response, "F**k the FAA."

For this we pay extra?

P.S. Yes, I reported the incident to Professional Standards. The response was that she had been reported more than once for similar incidents. As far as I know, she's still flying and still gettting paid for "speaking."

Hey, at least we got rid of the volunteer speaker program. That saved a whole bunch of money that those scam artists were stealing from the company.

I really like the idea of one reserve pool. Just average out the pay between domestic and international and call it a day.