teamster Corruption

[eric]

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[brown]

1. The members bombarded the company and the union after Siegel said he would abrogate the contract and hold his own vote, like I said the international made the decision to vote again, and if it was so bad, why did the members vote to ratify?

2. Is it too hard to understand that the members ratified the final offer the eliminated line utility? It is a democratic process and the MEMBERSHIP not leadership voted to ratify and not strike and accept the company's final offer, bottom line is the membership made the choice, that is how democracy works.

3. There are differences in the regulations that govern the air carriers operation.

4. You have not flown any passengers in several years. Compare Airlines that transport passengers, not cargo, two totally differant operations, and compare the IAM US CBA to HP, CO and UP and the IAM still has the superior scope langauge, and that is after two bankrupcies.

5. Joe Mantineo the former AGC retired from US in 1995, he is in his 60s, the person you are referring to is Joe Mantineo JR, HIS SON who is an AMT in PHL and not an IAM rep. (Don't let the facts get in your way!) You don't know jack! How does your foot taste?

6. A. I was there for the and related groups.

B. The CBA was abrogated by the judge since the IAM and the company could not agree, the IAM would not bring back a T/A that would eliminate 50% of th workers.

C. I was not employed by the IAM, the only people employed by the IAM who were on the Commitee were GCs Bill Frieberger and Tony Giammarco and Special Rep Tom Regan. The others were the Grievance Committe Chairs from CLT, PIT and PHL were there, all US employees,not IAM employees, paid by US not the IAM and appointed to the NC by the District and International. They are all regular employees working the line and base mtc Is that so hard to comprehend?

D. The AMTs at US east are not the lowest paid in the industry and at US east ask the GSE mechs about their pay, see they are treated as equals unlike your ibt represented mechs at HP.

Like I said you are more obsessed about me, sorry you are wrong once again, so don't let the facts get in your way.

You make this way to easy, how does it feel to be proven wrong time after time?

OK Genius once more,
1)The members bombarded the company???????? This is an absolute lie, The members did not go to the IAM to vote a second time!! The IAM came to us pressured by Siegel then collected a cool million by the company!!
2) Is it to hard to understand the members ratified the final vote???? Are you insane???? Why was it ever brought to a membership to vote on???, these are peoples jobs genius!!!
3) Now this one you must have just ran out of bu--sh-- answers for!!!!!What are the differences in regulation? You are making this to easy!!!!
4) Cargo, Pax, do you guys not transfer Cargo???? Are regs different than ours?? I am waiting to see if we can compare contracts yet, I did notice you didn't have much to say about yours next to HP's contract, evan that one was better than your IAM negotiated junk.
5) Yeah, you are correct on something. Joe Mantineo whom I worked with tug slugging in Philly (until the IAM gave that away to the rampers) for years gave us plenty of info on the goings on. So genius are you saying Mantineo Jr is not a steward in Philly? Is senior not currently in the IAM somewhere? Come on Genius how does YOUR foot taste!!!
6) Out of the major carriers who do you make more than??? (Besides other SCAB airlines?????
P.S Anything else going on today in your life???

 

[700UW]

1. Go ask the Siegel, Chiames, McKeen, Glass, Prestifilpio and Hemenway. There were tons of e-mails and phone calls made to the company. And the Siegel mailed a letter to everyone's before the 1st vote that he and the attorneys thought might endanger the 1113 hearings, so he wanted another vote, he was hell bent on holding his own vote if the IAM did not. The district leadership did not want to re-vote, but he International stepped in and did not want the company running their own vote. So now you are the CEO and know all the correspondence? Even in Siegel's 2nd letter to our homes, he said such.

2. You are confusing the first bankruptcy with the second, in the second bankruptcy the IAM was obligated to bring the final offer for the membership to vote on, even AMFA did that at NWA. Is their something you don't understand about democracy and letting the members make their choice? The members voted to accept the final offer, so everyone has to live with it.

3. Different regulations for cargo carriers and passenger airlines.

4. Compare the US CBA with HP, CO and WN, all same business, and no US does not carry cargo only like UPS.

5. Joe Mantineo Jr was a grievance committeeman until about a year ago, he is a regular line working mechanic, I do not know if he is a steward or not. Once again the members voted to ratify the contract and to eliminate the R&D function, once again, I see you don't understand the democratic process and letting the members vote to accept or reject contract modifications. When in Chapter 11, the company has all the power, not the workers. Joe Mantineo Sr is not working for the IAM in any capacity, he is retired.

6. I don't know the pay rates of all the majors.

And once again, you have to make this about me and not the topic.

I guess you are not seeking help for you obsession with me, maybe you need to get something else going on in your life then to worry about me and what I do.

 

[brown]

1. Go ask the Siegel, Chiames, McKeen, Glass, Prestifilpio and Hemenway. There were tons of e-mails and phone calls made to the company. And the Siegel mailed a letter to everyone's before the 1st vote that he and the attorneys thought might endanger the 1113 hearings, so he wanted another vote, he was hell bent on holding his own vote if the IAM did not. The district leadership did not want to re-vote, but he International stepped in and did not want the company running their own vote. So now you are the CEO and know all the correspondence? Even in Siegel's 2nd letter to our homes, he said such.

2. You are confusing the first bankruptcy with the second, in the second bankruptcy the IAM was obligated to bring the final offer for the membership to vote on, even AMFA did that at NWA. Is their something you don't understand about democracy and letting the members make their choice? The members voted to accept the final offer, so everyone has to live with it.

3. Different regulations for cargo carriers and passenger airlines.

4. Compare the US CBA with HP, CO and WN, all same business, and no US does not carry cargo only like UPS.

5. Joe Mantineo Jr was a grievance committeeman until about a year ago, he is a regular line working mechanic, I do not know if he is a steward or not. Once again the members voted to ratify the contract and to eliminate the R&D function, once again, I see you don't understand the democratic process and letting the members vote to accept or reject contract modifications. When in Chapter 11, the company has all the power, not the workers. Joe Mantineo Sr is not working for the IAM in any capacity, he is retired.

6. I don't know the pay rates of all the majors.

And once again, you have to make this about me and not the topic.

I guess you are not seeking help for you obsession with me, maybe you need to get something else going on in your life then to worry about me and what I do.

Like I said you were way to easy!!! Different regs? Don't know the pay rates of other airlines???.....You know everything else. Compared to the HP contract, I would say yours SUCKS! You guys don't hall cargo? Are you kidding me? Let me tell you a bit about your Company genius. Yes mantineo jr is still a steward, Yes you carry cargo, Yes your contract is near the bottom and yes your IAM allowed a second vote as well as brought a contract for the membershit to vote on that excluded utility, your a piece of cake genius. No need in responding on this subject, I will probably catch you in your propaganda BS everywhere else on this site and I mean EVERYWHERE!!!!! I am done with this subject......I WON

 

[700UW]

Get your story straight.

US does not haul hazmat UPS does, UPS does not haul passengers, US does. The FARs that apply to FAs dont apply to cargo haulers, since you don't haul passengers, go brush up on the FARs.

Our contract still provides more jobs at US then at HP, and if the HP contract is so great, why don't they even have utility? If your contract at UPS is so great then why is all the heavy maintenance farmed out? The members voted, all members under the CBA, and they ratified it, it is called D E M O C R A C Y, do I need to explain that concept to you?

Guess you cant understand bankruptcy and the effects it has on CBA, unions and employees.

There was never a second vote on the CBA that gave the company the right to outsource line utility and since you proclaim you know so much, then tell me why are they 25 utility working in CLT base and 25 in PIT base if utility was "excluded" as you say?

You don't even know what is going on and your rants show that.

You have not won anything since I have shown you to be wrong on all accounts and corrected you on the facts. Now quit while your behind.

But hey, don't let reality get in the way of your rants.

 

[Awa Contract]

IAM or Management? whats the difference? the are in the same bed.

 

[700UW]

Once again, I see you cant add something to the topic, you ibters are obsessed with me.

 

[delldude]

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pineybob would be better?

 

[Charlie_Tuna]

Conclusion

At both the international and local levels, the IBT obviously continues to suffer from the relationship with organized crime. Indeed, so pervasive has this relationship become that no single remedy is likely to restore even a measure of true union democracy and independent leadership to the IBT. Sustained commitment of governmental resources to dislodge organized crime from the IBT through a combination of criminal prosecutions, civil action, and administrative proceedings is the only approach that offers even a modest hope of success in the long run. If the Local 560 case is representative of the depths of the problem, systematic use of trusteeships by the courts may be necessary to prevent organized crime from continuing to do business as usual in the IBT.


President's Commission on Organized Crime

 

[awausairtech]

Conclusion

At both the international and local levels, the IBT obviously continues to suffer from the relationship with organized crime. Indeed, so pervasive has this relationship become that no single remedy is likely to restore even a measure of true union democracy and independent leadership to the IBT. Sustained commitment of governmental resources to dislodge organized crime from the IBT through a combination of criminal prosecutions, civil action, and administrative proceedings is the only approach that offers even a modest hope of success in the long run. If the Local 560 case is representative of the depths of the problem, systematic use of trusteeships by the courts may be necessary to prevent organized crime from continuing to do business as usual in the IBT.
President's Commission on Organized Crime

Dell what are u up to???????LOL

 

[700UW]

Dell what are u up to???????LOL

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[allunionsdeceive]

I think I have this (700) fanatic figured out..... He claims he is not IAM employed, but who would be on this board 24/7 with so much misinformation?????? Who would be afraid of a real union at USAIRWAYS??????? This guy is MANAGEMENT!!!! He would hate to see the Teamsters at USAIRWAYS!!!!!

700 is not managment he is a stock *Deleted By Moderator*.
These days neither IAM or IBT are realy unions. These days everyone is out for themself and union are out for more members to bring in more dues. Its all about me. Thats why the IAM and members have this great contract ( 1/2 day sink pay,lost of vaca, lose of $, Ect) and the IBT farms out more work than the IAM.

 

[delldude]

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[Paul]

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I gather there is a comprehension problem here. Next person to do so will spend some time in the bin.

 

[awausairtech]

I gather there is a comprehension problem here. Next person to do so will spend some time in the bin.

SEEN A ANONY USER ON LINE PAUL FIG IT WAS DELL AND iam RIGHT LOL