Survey shows Delta lags behind on "brand respect"

[737823]

Yet the only IAMAW represented workers are passenger service. Imagine that. And how are those ongoing negotiations with DL 142 going? Sito's wet dream would be to have a carrier like TWA for the IAM representing every workgroup except pilots-passenger service, flight attendants, fleet service, M&R but it will likely never happen again.

Josh

 

[700UW]

http://www.iamdl142.org/Bulletins/2013/WN_2013-94.pdf

http://www.iamdl142.org/Bulletins/2013/WN_2013-94a.pdf

 

[737823]

So they are kicking the can down the road, does the IAM want all these agreements in limbo at UA, US, and WN so it sets the bar low at each carrier? Nothing is compelling them to negotiate, they still get dues remitted to them by the co each payroll cycle...

Josh

 

[700UW]

From Delta itself:

 

[700UW]

So they are kicking the can down the road, does the IAM want all these agreements in limbo at UA, US, and WN so it sets the bar low at each carrier? Nothing is compelling them to negotiate, they still get dues remitted to them by the co each payroll cycle...

Josh

Just shows you dont understand the Section 6 process nor do you understand the Railway Labor Act

US is in mediation the NMB controls the negotiations, the IAM asked the board back in June to be released on the M&R and in July for the Ramp. Neither the IAM nor US controls the scheduling.

And CBAs under the RLA normally take two plus years, as the company uses the law to impede the process to get a new CBA, and the airlines and railroads are the only groups that their CBAs dont expire and become amendable, its apparent you dont know the RLA was done to protect interstate commerce.

And those employees who pay dues are working under a CBA that the union used the dues money to negotiate and enforce.

You are clueless and just hate unions, the IAM and US, I hope this merger goes through just so you have to fly the new AA under US management.

Guess you dont realize the IAM CSA and RES are the highest paid in the industry.

 

[737823]

What is your excuse for UAL? Oh that's right the membership resoundingly defeated the POS sell out agreement in March, nearly six months ago and no progress has been made. Meanwhile the IAM stands back and allows UA to outsource even more stations without a fight.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

Kev, you do understand that any promise the union makes needs to negotiated and the company ultimately has to agree to?

You do understand that any tentative agreement is first negotiated/agreed to by BOTH sides, then put out for a vote by the membership, who have the ultimate say?

Surely you understand how common that talking point is, right? It's usually served in conjunction with one about how any contract talks start from zero, and occasionally coupled with the one about how long they can take.

You recognize the Fear of Loss tactic when you see it, right?

I'm speechless.

That's a first.

Did you expect to see a page in the Rules of the Road saying that DL pays more than other airlines in part to keep labor non-unionized?

It'd be nice for them not to treat us all like children.

It may be a "given" to you & I, but I can assure you there are many low information employees who still buy into the notion of the DL "family," and that it's "unique culture" is one born of benevolence...

anthr thread thats been turned from survey shows to union this union that vs non union... the question is what survey is or was delta doing or were they doing it and found to be lagging behind in... and how well is dl trying to get it back together in that area

Internally, it's SSDD. A lot of people that simply should not be making decisions are trying to execute a large-scale project. Despite all the hype, there's been very little of substance so far...

for the IAM representing every workgroup except pilots-passenger service, flight attendants, fleet service, M&R but it will likely never happen again.

Every workgroup in the same union would be an amazing amount of leverage.

 

[700UW]

United Survey System
Members began receiving informational post cards this past week concerning the survey process now in place. Individuals have already logged in to the secured website, using their member ID and temporary PIN identification numbers, and participated in the initial survey. The results of the survey will be forwarded, on an ongoing basis, to our Negotiating Team to provide feedback and opinion on the many components of our contracts. This process of soliciting members’ opinions and ideas on issues will be an ongoing thing and will continue beyond negotiations. We ask all eligible members to take the time to participate in the survey, as the results of the survey will form the positions of our Union going forward.

United Negotiations
Negotiations resume this coming week. It is our intention to meet with the company to determine if the parties can reach a new agreement in a timely manner. As we have noted before, the IAM has told the company that some key areas must be revised from the previous tentative agreement – wage improvement (including retroactive increases for all members), job security, insurance improvement, and language issues – if a new agreement is to be reached. The results of the current survey will identify other concerns of members but if these critical areas cannot be agreed to then an overall agreement will not be possible. We are hopeful that through our discussions in the next two weeks we will see the opportunity for settlement in the near future.
United Airlines notified us this week that Aetna would be taking over the administration of all PPO insurance programs. Member currently covered by Blue Cross/Blue Shield or United Healthcare PPO will now need to make sure their doctors and hospitals are part of the Aetna network. The company claims 95% of current BC/BS and United Healthcare physicians are already in the Aetna network. Since United is self insured the IAM’s concern is to make sure that the contractually required coverage is maintained and that premium costs do not exceed the contractual cap. The information provided by the company thus far has shown that those requirements are being met by this administration change. This change applies to PPO coverage and does not effect HMO options that members may have selected.
This change in insurance administration points out the competition between insurance companies to win business. Since the coverage of our contractually outlined plan must remain unchanged, the insurers need to compete through cost to the company and additional benefits for employees. Aetna won this round. This same competition is occurring on a much larger scale now as the country gets closer to the implementation of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, more commonly known as Obama-care. These same insurance companies are scrambling to be part of the insurance exchanges that will be set up under the Act. These exchanges will provide access to healthcare plans from BC/BS, Aetna, United Healthcare, Kaiser, and other companies for all Americans. This change will bring millions of new customers to the insurance companies since they will be providing the coverage, not the government. These plans are required to provide coverage similar to the coverage outlined in the current UAL/IAM contracts, including a requirement that wellness programs and preventative tests must be free. The added advantage of the Act is that it provides financial help to those that qualify through premium subsidies and out of pocket caps, based on income. This help is not only for poverty-level type incomes; it is based on family size. California, among other states, has already developed their program that will begin open enrollment in October. Using that state’s calculator you can see tax relief is given to households with incomes over $90,000.00. This is just one aspect of this new, historic law.
District 141 and our International are researching the entire Act to try to understand the impact it may have on our current and future healthcare structure. This research is necessary now that the Supreme Court has confirmed the constitutionality of the PPACA and it is moving forward towards implementation.

Stop Outsourcing
Members continue to protest outsourcing of work across the country and in IAH this past week over 400 hundred IAM members came together to show their support for their fellow members affected by United Airlines decision to outsource work in TUS, CVG, GRR, MDT, ALB, and ROC. The peaceful, but lively demonstration showed the travelling public entering the airport the solidarity of IAM members and our commitment to each other. The officers and committee members of Local Lodge 811 made sure our message was delivered without incident but with passion. The participation from all levels of our Union – International, District, and Local – showed the unity and focus of the IAM, especially regarding the outsourcing of our jobs. We thank all the members for their solidarity and a special thanks to everyone who stood in the summer heat of Houston to support each other and their Union.

 

[737823]

Did you not see the part about as new CBAs get negotiated health care cost increases will be passed along? Obviously the T/A isn't in force until it is ratified by the membership, nor are any dues collected from a newly organized group I knew that already.

How well did having all work groups under the IAM workout at TWA? I'm sure you will blame two bankruptcies, bad management, Icahn, etc but we all know what a blazing success that was for everyone involved...

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

if you're talking to me, I'd point to the Gulf, Ichan's Karibu (sp?) ticketing agreement, and flt. 800 as a good chunk of what put 'em in a flat spin...

 

[737823]

And what did the protest accomplish? NOTHING. They are still proceeding to outsource the work.

Is anyone else surprised that UA has kept mainline workers in places like Rochester or Harrisburg PA this long? Seriously.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

I'm not surprised they're still there, I'm disappointed they're getting cut.

DL has employees in cities like that. Should they be cut too, or is it okay since they're non-union?

 

[737823]

But yet MHT and MIA are Express.

Josh

 

[700UW]

It actually worked out great at TWA, TWA's financial problems were not because of the unions, the IAM and other unions kept TWA in business way longer than it would have if the unions didnt step up and try to save the company over and over and over.

 

[737823]

It actually worked out great at TWA, TWA's financial problems were not because of the unions, the IAM and other unions kept TWA in business way longer than it would have if the unions didnt step up and try to save the company over and over and over.

Funny over the past ten months you have bashed the IBT for giving concessions at Hostess multiple times yet praised the BCTGM for taking a stand and bringing the company into liquidation.

It also worked out great for the IAM securing their obligations at TWA but didn't want to fight for their members seniority risking their secured claim against TWA's assets:

http://youtu.be/RyakqbcLkww?t=4m52s

Josh