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- Dec 5, 2003
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anthr thread thats been turned from survey shows to union this union that vs non union... the question is what survey is or was delta doing or were they doing it and found to be lagging behind in... and how well is dl trying to get it back together in that area
Robbed,
It just goes with the territory over here…. I have no problem w/ a handful of people continuing to push the labor movement even though DL’s employees have repeatedly said they want no more unions. Interesting also that the greatest hopes for unions hangs on the FAs even though they have had more opportunities to vote for unions than probably any other group of airline employees in the history of aviation – and yet have REPEATEDLY said no.
My role is to keep the labor activists honest – such as by not allowing them to redefine outsourcing based on some narrow formula that a union managed to succeed at getting in a contract all the while resulting in a far higher level of outsourcing for all of the employees that union is supposed to represent.
Guess you have forgotten about WN, highest percentage of unionized employees, highest paid, and yet WN is the most consistent and profitable airline, and they carry more passengers domestically than any other airlines.
Dont let the facts get in your way.
Nope, I haven’t forgotten about anything.
if you would like to consider WN a peer, then yes it is included- and I do know that DL does include WN in its comparisons for compensation purposes.
But DL’s most direct comparison is with its legacy/network carrier peers who have different business models and a whole lot more history. DL’s most direct comparison is with its legacy/network carrier peers who have different business models, a whole lot more history including a trip thru BK which is what ties the legacy carriers together – and separates the legacy carriers from WN.
I have no problem with acknowledging that WN’s employees are higher paid – and I have done that repeatedly – but I also want to make very certain that it is known that DL – and AA when it emerges – have far more legacy obligations related to its pensions and postretirement benefits than WN does and that face can’t just be tossed out as insignificant.
WN does what they do very well but they are not in the exact same league as the legacy carriers. The fact that DL includes WN in their compensation comparisons says they don’t intend to offer excuses as to why their employees SHOULDN’T reach WN’s levels of compensation.
As for you, instead of nitpicking at details like this which I have repeatedly acknowledged, how about you explain why the other legacy carrier’s unionized employees don’t earn as much as DL’s non-union employees?
From Delta itself:
Thank you.
Shows exactly what I have been saying that among legacy carriers, DL’s employees are some of the highest compensated in the industry.
And if you would also like to include increases in pay over the past five years, DL’s employees outrank WN’s.
Why would any DL employee want to risk the increases in pay that have been standard and annual only to spend years waiting on a contract resolution that MIGHT include pay raises at much smaller rates?
BTW CO doesn't write any checks to FAs anymore.
It'd be nice for them not to treat us all like children.
It may be a "given" to you & I, but I can assure you there are many low information employees who still buy into the notion of the DL "family," and that it's "unique culture" is one born of benevolence...
It’s a little, uh, condescending to think that you can make an assessment of your
employment situation but some of your coworkers cannot, don’t ya think?
I don't think you will find any DL employees (or anywhere else for that matter) who will say "I have no idea what the company is doing regarding my pay and benefits."
DL has employees in cities like that. Should they be cut too, or is it okay since they're non-union?
The reason is quite simply that UA’s network is build on a strong presence in its hub cities but a much weaker presence in smaller cities.
DL’s network is much more of a system which is why they are ditching 50 seaters and upgrading to mainline aircraft – because they carry the volume of passengers out of small and medium sized cities while AA cannot.
DL’s network provides job security for its employees in places where other network carriers cannot.