Ste Mobile Aerospace , Strike-two !

[MarkMyWords]

Seems like a good definition of our CEO, you know, the same guy who said he didn't want to farm out our work, wanted it to stay and said it would if we voted in concession number two it would indeed stay.

So MMW, don’t preach to some lowly U employee when you can go to the top and preach where it counts!!

Cav -

I do not disagree that Dave has been / is irresponsible when it comes to holding up the companies end of the CBA's.

I have a lot of respect for AOG and his ideas, but to come on here without having his facts straight is irresponsible.

Airplanes are pieces of machinery and they will break down. Is the problem with 707 directly related to the work done at STS? No one knows for sure. Is it suspect? Sure. Using an event, that may prove to be a coincidence, to better your cause is irresponsible. Wait for the facts to come in before you continue to run this up the flag pole.

 

[Fleazle]

Just curious; what happened to a/c 767 in GCM?

 

[MarkMyWords]

Perhaps you should ask AOG or 700UW......I will not publicize or sensationalize an event that may or may not be related to a check done on the airplane (in house) prior to it's flight to GCM. Suffice to say, the airplane was in check, 1st revenue flight after the check and there was an emergency declared. Was it related to the work done? Should we be just as critical about our inhouse work as we are about contract work? Should we assume that the 2 incidents are both directly related to the check work done on the airplanes, or should we wait for the facts to come in and determine if these were events that happened, with no direct connection to the check work done on the airplane, and may have been an issue of coincidence and bad timing.

As many have said before......don't let the facts stand in your way of sensationalizing an event to fit your agenda.

 

[elmerfishpaw]

I just want to fly in an aircraft worked on by a happy, well paid, IN HOUSE professional !! Worked on by someone who'd put themselves and family on board.

 

[ITRADE]

I've been on a few Southwest flights now and again. I'm still here.

 

[cavalier]

don't let the facts stand in your way of sensationalizing an event to fit your agenda.

FACTS:

Yes we have some normal squawks "sometimes" coming out of a heavy check, but these small items are rectified before any revenue flights are ever made, not after the fact, which has happened TWICE with this management teams choice of maintenance, work that we performed since 1947 that magically left when the Siegel mobile-bile arrived.

MMW you are on here crying fair play when this is anything BUT fair play with our very livelihoods, you want AOG to play fair and let the big boys have their way! I personally feel your argument is weak and hollow given where we have arrived with this lying management team we are so unfortunate to have. The rules have changed, and the bar has been dropped compliments of our brave new management team.

 

[usfliboi]

The agenda here bleeds even heavier today and as the creditablity shrinks so does your wallets. 700 you continue to post HALF facts. If your gonna post your agenda you need to post the whole truth. Tell the board how many in house problems we have had. Im not sure but i wouls be very careful for those on here who "are not " employees . Your walking a fine line and have crossed it as far as im concerned. The same scare tactics you say our company uses , seems to me you have mastered it.

 

[cavalier]

I've been on a few Southwest flights now and again. I'm still here.

LUV doesn't have their work performed where The Seg and Big Dave insisted on doing it.

 

[ITRADE]

LUV doesn't have their work performed where The Seg and Big Dave insisted on doing it.

But it wasn't performed in-house, now wasn't it?

 

[MarkMyWords]

Cav -

I have said it a zillion times and I will say it a zillion more, the work is the IAM's, should be the IAM's, I want it to be the IAM's, I support their efforts to get the work back. What I don't support is reporting an incident on a public forum and NOT HAVING THE FACTS. This wasn't the 1st revenue flight of the airplane, it was the 6th. The flight came from PHL not CLT. No one knows if the cause of the problem is directly related to the STS work or if it was a poorly timed coincidence. If you can prove to me that the problem is directly a result of the work by STS, I will shut up.

I am not disputing the facts that the management team has lied, cheated and stolen form every union on the property. But because they lie, does that mean that the people should be allowed to come on here and spout misinformation and skew things toward their cause? Absolutely not.

 

[cavalier]

But it wasn't performed in-house, now wasn't it?

Does that make it right?


Does that nullify contracts?


Because Timco has a better track record does that justify wrongdoing, lies, deceit?


Let me answer this, HELL NO!

 

[ClueByFour]

But it wasn't performed in-house, now wasn't it?

No.

However, Southwest is reported to have a draconian quality control regmine in place with Goodrich. It's Goodrich's largest contract by far, and one which they simply could not afford to live without. Southwest has all sorts of leverage against Goodrich to do go work--and apparently they exercise it in a prudent fashion.

US Management has absolutely no leverage over S&T--if Bronner says that's where the work is going to go, that's where the work is going to go until a plane drops out of the sky. There is no incentive on S&T's part to good do work--thanks to Bronner in the role of sugar daddy, this work won't ever go anywhere else, and they (S&T) know it.

Don't compare this to what Southwest is doing--Southwest has leverage over their vendor (and apparently a vendor management process). US has neither.

 

[cavalier]

But because they lie, does that mean that the people should be allowed to come on here and spout misinformation and skew things toward their cause? Absolutely not.

But it's ok for this management team to do essentially the same damn thing promoting their agenda of killing its employees with lies, punitive policies, exploitation by any and all means necessary to carry out their utopia of a airline that makes tons of money while killing its employees, literally.

You can't have it both ways, can't. Again, they and NOT us have changed the rules: do you understand what I am saying? Do you REALLY understand what you’re saying?

Prove, I don't have to prove a damn thing, their actions are screaming loud enough.

 

[ITRADE]

Does that make it right?

Why wouldn't it?

Does that nullify contracts?

Does what nullify contracts?

Because Timco has a better track record does that justify wrongdoing, lies, deceit?

Ahh, but I thought that outsourcing per se was an invitation for instant death. Clearly, not the case.

 

[ITRADE]

No.

However, Southwest is reported to have a draconian quality control regmine in place with Goodrich. It's Goodrich's largest contract by far, and one which they simply could not afford to live without. Southwest has all sorts of leverage against Goodrich to do go work--and apparently they exercise it in a prudent fashion.

US Management has absolutely no leverage over S&T--if Bronner says that's where the work is going to go, that's where the work is going to go until a plane drops out of the sky. There is no incentive on S&T's part to good do work--thanks to Bronner in the role of sugar daddy, this work won't ever go anywhere else, and they (S&T) know it.

Well, if Bronner - the Chairman of US - is calling the shots as you so allege, then there is substantial leverage. At the drop of a hat, Bronner could move the work elsewhere - in Alabama or elsewhere. The incentive is very much there.