Status of A350 Order

[crazystnic]

NIce pic of the new AMR 321 with sharklets, just click to embiggen. Here is a link  (looks like it should pay like a 757 to me!) : 
 
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=27b78e4e-e75b-48ca-b70c-8fa65921631f

 
 
yeah I wonder how the PAX will like bumping along at FL 300 because the dog can't climb? or will this be a lower GW than our 187 PAX models.

 

[Reed Richards]

 
 
yeah I wonder how the PAX will like bumping along at FL 300 because the dog can't climb? or will this be a lower GW than our 187 PAX models.

I have no idea about the weight, but would guess a little lower.  The sharklets have to give a few percentage points more fuel efficiency, or they would not buy them.  The paintjob sucks, but I cannot see it from the cockpit. I have flown the 75/76 and still  cannot think of more fun aircraft to fly, other than the 38 or F4!  But given the choice I would take an enhanced 321 to the coast over anything I have ever flown. Other than dodging the low fliers on climbout, it's simply a quiet, spacious, outstanding place to work, and pays by the hour!  If anyone reading this is senior to me, stay away from the AB, the trips suck and the school is the hardest I have ever been through. RR

 

[USFlyer]

The new AA may have no choice but to move up to the -900. Too few orders for the -800. US has the largest order for the -800.

I've been wondering about this, too.  If Airbus decides not to build the -800, I wonder if US is still obligated to purchase a different model.

 

[USFlyer]

What are the ranges for aa 762 er vs us 762s er

AA is planning to retire its 762s by the middle of next year.  I read somewhere that US is also now retiring its 762s.

 

[nycbusdriver]

I always found it odd, that US was one of the launch customers, and yet Airbus builds the 900 before the 800, I just find that weird.

 
Even when it's out front, US has always been the industry "also ran."  
 
Had one of the "glamour" bunch, i.e. SW, DL, Emirates, Singapore, etc., ordered the -800 first, it would be built first.  Airbus doesn't want the "ugly girl at the dance" to be their poster child.
 
(I'm sure it's more complicated than that....probably had to do with Airbus getting more money for doing it this way, and US being too cheap to step up to the plate.)

 

[USFlyer]

US also doesn't want the planes until 2017, so that was also likely a factor.

 

[Freighterguynow]

I always found it odd, that US was one of the launch customers, and yet Airbus builds the 900 before the 800, I just find that weird.

The -900 is the base aircraft with a shorter -800 and larger - 1000 series offshoots

The whole program is weird.

First Ab goes with an A-330 neo type upgrade. No takers.

Then, they redesign the thing with new wings, tail and cockpit but the same 330 fuselage. Still no interest.

Next, they upgraded the fuse but later change the construction off carbon fiber.

Now, they have the -1000 series with a six ( not 4 ) wheel bogy main gear and different engine fan section all the while claiming 800/900/1000 series "commonality"

 

[USFlyer]

So ... I take it there's no word or rumors on the status of the A350 order?

 

[nycbusdriver]

So ... I take it there's no word or rumors on the status of the A350 order?

 
No change.  That's the status.  There still coming. Eventually.  The merger has not changed it.  So far.

 

[Reed Richards]

So ... I take it there's no word or rumors on the status of the A350 order?

Guilty as charged.    RR (does thread creep make ME a creep?)

 

[Piedmont1984]

yeah I wonder how the PAX will like bumping along at FL 300 because the dog can't climb? or will this be a lower GW than our 187 PAX models.

I would like to see some performance data on the 321T. By my count it will have 36+36+20+10=102 seats, also 187-102=85 fewer checked bags (unless they fill the bins with cargo). The winglets add to the wing area but I don't know how much. Essentially, it will be a lighter version of the 321 with slightly larger wings. That should help its altitude performance, which is about my only gripe with the airplane.

 

[Phoenix]

I have no idea about the weight, but would guess a little lower.  The sharklets have to give a few percentage points more fuel efficiency, or they would not buy them.  The paintjob sucks, but I cannot see it from the cockpit. I have flown the 75/76 and still  cannot think of more fun aircraft to fly, other than the 38 or F4!  But given the choice I would take an enhanced 321 to the coast over anything I have ever flown. Other than dodging the low fliers on climbout, it's simply a quiet, spacious, outstanding place to work, and pays by the hour!  If anyone reading this is senior to me, stay away from the AB, the trips suck and the school is the hardest I have ever been through. RR

AB school is indeed a widow maker.  It has the highest percentage of washouts and wash backs.  All but the new hires have great difficulty getting through it and many senior guys are given the option to retire early rather than suffer the humiliation of failing out and being fired.  Its just grizzly.  

 

[PullUp]

AB school is indeed a widow maker.  It has the highest percentage of washouts and wash backs.  All but the new hires have great difficulty getting through it and many senior guys are given the option to retire early rather than suffer the humiliation of failing out and being fired.  Its just grizzly.  

oh, pish posh. It's just an airplane with fancy names for everything.
But I agree, adjusting those electric seats is confusing. Took me a while to figure 'em out.
Cheers.

 

[nycbusdriver]

AB school is indeed a widow maker.  It has the highest percentage of washouts and wash backs.  All but the new hires have great difficulty getting through it and many senior guys are given the option to retire early rather than suffer the humiliation of failing out and being fired.  Its just grizzly.  

 
While I am sure that scenario does play out occasionally, I don't think it's at all prevalent.  It would be interesting to see the statistics on long-time Boeing/Douglas drivers (and their ages) who actually do wash back or wash out.  I doubt it would be a significant number.  Money can be a huge motivator toward accepting Airbus-think.

 

[dash8roa]

The -900 is the base aircraft with a shorter -800 and larger - 1000 series offshoots

The whole program is weird.

First Ab goes with an A-330 neo type upgrade. No takers.

Then, they redesign the thing with new wings, tail and cockpit but the same 330 fuselage. Still no interest.

Next, they upgraded the fuse but later change the construction off carbon fiber.

Now, they have the -1000 series with a six ( not 4 ) wheel bogy main gear and different engine fan section all the while claiming 800/900/1000 series "commonality"

The -900 is the base aircraft with a shorter -800 and larger - 1000 series offshoots

The whole program is weird.

First Ab goes with an A-330 neo type upgrade. No takers.

Then, they redesign the thing with new wings, tail and cockpit but the same 330 fuselage. Still no interest.

Next, they upgraded the fuse but later change the construction off carbon fiber.

Now, they have the -1000 series with a six ( not 4 ) wheel bogy main gear and different engine fan section all the while claiming 800/900/1000 series "commonality"

The 800 will probably never be built. Too many planned models off one frame design as they are talking about adding a -1100 model to compete with the Boeing 777-9X. We know how well the A318 and 737-600 went over in the commercial market.
Airbus is trying to compete with the 777X and 787 with one frame family. Not going to happen, Boeing will continue to lead in the widebody market.