Sign Up for a Chance to Show Your Support in Washington D.C. for the US Airways and American Merger!

[robbedagain]

the only real groups to make out real good are those pilots n flight attendants... given us loves to stall stall and they come asking for employees to back them up for a merger... its a nowonder theyre the donkeys of the industry f them all contracts first merger later mgmt even forced us to take the day one test long before the doj stepped in to block it... them donkeys can kiss arse

 

[snapthis]

Snap,

How is it working under a CBA that was done in Chapter 11 over eight years ago?

I was raised in a family where my parents were executives over a 5000 member of unionized labor force. The conversations around the dinner table were of their experiences. I have a degree in finance and worked in investment banking prior to the airlines. Now that I am labor and been a union member for over 20 years, I see that side as well.

There are risks going into a merger but the risks are greater with this administration's intereference.

I'm a firm believer in the free market. Let the merger live or die on it's own.

 

[etops1]

If you want go then go . If you don't then don't . Simple as that . Nobody is forcing you to do anything you don't want to do.

 

[Keroseneuser]

About 3 years ago or so I remember talking to a younger reserve pilot in the crew room. He was in a pretty foul mood due to the fact that he was getting married in a month or so and had been trying to move days off or swap vacation to get the days off. The company had refused to work with him to do so. As I understood it they even refused to let him take a pay dock for personal days off. So he was facing the prospect of going home and telling his bride to be that they had to cancel the current plans and tell all their family and friends that they would have to move the wedding date.

I am all for the merger and hope it goes through, however when you are talking about employees taking time out to travel to DC to show support for management, somehow I don't think the ones like the young fellow above are going to go out of their way to help.

 

[767one]

"On Sept. 17, 300 US Airways and American employees will travel to Washington D.C. to meet with members of Congress, rally on Capitol Hill and collectively show unified support for the merger.

Because this is a volunteer opportunity, please be sure you have covered your scheduled work shift, trip traded, or are on approved vacation during the days of Sept. 17 and 18."

I'll be there if I can drop a trip.

This administration and it's Holder need to butt out of free market. They need to stick with the issues which are important to the voters who brought in the present leadership.

Issues like legalizing pot and screwing up healthcare. They should not go unopposed in screwing up a merger.

I never tried pot I guess it was because I was already flying when I was fifteen. However now that I'm retired........maybe legalization might not be a bad thing!

Bob

 

[UPNAWAY]

[sup]Keroseneuser,[/sup]


[sup]That kinda crap only happens becuase of unions and union rules. In the world most profesionals work that kind of stuff is handled between employees and managment almost always without any issue.[/sup]

[sup]Look for no other reason, every union airline employee would be better of without a union because you could change jobs and companies and improve your lot in life.[/sup]

 

[P. REZ]

[sup]Keroseneuser,[/sup]


[sup]That kinda crap only happens becuase of unions and union rules. In the world most profesionals work that kind of stuff is handled between employees and managment almost always without any issue.[/sup]

[sup]Look for no other reason, every union airline employee would be better of without a union because you could change jobs and companies and improve your lot in life.[/sup]

Huh,

Are you serious? I have been saying that there will be a rebirth in unionism because of how Corporate America and the rich treat employees. Statistics show that Union employees have better compensation and benefits than Non-Union employees working in the same field. Educate yourself.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Why do people not follow this website's rules and keep their labor thoughts in the labor threads? When is it ok to break a rule?

 

[700UW]

Why do people not follow this website's rules and keep their labor thoughts in the labor threads? When is it ok to break a rule?

There are no rules about that, the only rule is not too start a new thread about labor.

I think its time to post your Charlotte Observer Editorial that is filled with lies.

 

[Dilligas]

When is it ok to break a rule?

Do you mean rules like:

* Posting entire articles instead of a link and summary?
* Posting internal company communications on a public board?
* Posting internal union communications on a public board?

Or how about...

* Playing on his personal laptop while in the cockpit when his full attention should be to the task he is being paid to perform?

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[700UW]

From the July 26, 2002 Charlotte Observer:

UNIONS CAN SINK US AIRWAYS
WITHOUT AGREEMENTS FROM ALL ITS UNIONS, AIRLINE'S FUTURE IS BLEAK

In recent days US Airways has made much progress toward ensuring that it will have a future. It has reached tentative contract restructuring agreements with its pilots, flight attendants and the Transport Workers Union, which represents the dispatchers, simulator engineers and flight crew training instructors, and with subsidiary PSA Airlines' pilots and flight attendants.

The International Association of Machinists (IAM) unit representing mechanics is close to a deal, and the IAM Fleet Service negotiators are making good progress.

But that's not enough.

The Communication Workers of America (CWA), which represents customer service and reservation agents, remains far from agreement with the company. US Airways is on the brink of court-ordered bankruptcy because its situation is "unsustainable." Failure to improve the situation will have devastating effects on employees, customers and companies that depend on US Airways.

The airline has received a "conditional" federal loan guarantee approval, but can't use those funds unless it gets restructuring agreements with all labor groups, in accordance with the business plan submitted to the Air Transportation Stabilization Board (ATSB).

Needed for loan guarantees

Major obstacles remain in the way of a voluntary restructuring.

US Airways may not be able to reach agreements with lenders without tentative agreements with the remaining unions. Unless it has those agreements the company wouldn't get final ATSB loan guarantee approval, government sources believe.

How bad is the situation? The carrier continues to burn cash during what is historically the best-performing time of year. Ten months after Sept. 11, US Airways has not resolved its cost problems, the economy remains sluggish, revenue is off 20 percent and low-cost competitors are aggressively attacking its market share. The industry has not recovered as expected.

Domestic fares are at 15-year lows. Shifts in buying patterns and travel options indicate airlines may never get the revenue per available seat mile they previously enjoyed.

Disturbing reports

US Airways needs restructuring agreements for either a voluntary restructuring or successful bankruptcy reorganization. If the company gets union concessions and qualifies for government financing, then if it's forced into bankruptcy, it probably could get in and out of bankruptcy
quickly.

What's disturbing are reports that the CWA leadership is misleading its members. Last Friday, company negotiators asked the union to meet, to try and resolve their differences. The union said its negotiators couldn't meet, but its advisers would be available. However, I'm told that when management tried to schedule a meeting, they were told the advisers had other commitments. Meanwhile, the CWA issued a report telling its members the
company met with the advisers last weekend - which management disputes.

Brinkmanship by any union could push the airline into bankruptcy. It's disappointing to see a relatively small group of employees risk the destruction of a viable company, with a devastating effect on 40,000 employees and their families.

No one can be sure what will happen in bankruptcy, but it's certain that if the company reorganizes and successfully comes out of bankruptcy, the labor groups that don't have tentative agreements with the company prior to bankruptcy will lose.

As in other union negotiations, the parties that reach savings targeted in the business plan will get a bankruptcy protection letter, which protects against even deeper salary and benefit cuts if the company enters bankruptcy.

Some may face pay cuts

If the company files for bankruptcy, workers in labor groups without that bankruptcy protection letter may face deep cuts in pay and benefits, loss of unused sick and vacation time, slashed retirement benefits and a crash in the value of common stock in 401(k) accounts. In addition, they'll work for a smaller airline that will hand out layoff notices at once with no severance pay, and will pay members of unprotected unions significantly
less.

Each day the company moves nearer bankruptcy. New chief executive officer David Siegel has brought a breath of fresh air to management. US Airways' best chance to survive is for unions and creditors to bet on him and his team. Employees wanting to keep their jobs must impress upon union rank-and-file employees the importance of ordering union leaders back to the bargaining table at once, to reach an agreement that is 85 percent of the
targeted concessions.

The choice is simple: Either all stakeholders move past their anger, frustration and denial to obtain and ratify restructuring agreements, or the carrier will almost certainly enter bankruptcy.

History has shown only two major airlines have successfully restructured in bankruptcy - not good odds for this company to continue operation.

Chip Munn is a US Airways captain

 

[USA320Pilot]

700UW you're so easy to be played. Keep doing the same things over and over and expect a different result. By the way, why do you break forum rules and post labor comments in a non labor topic? Do you always break rules?

 

[USA320Pilot]

Do you mean rules like:

* Posting entire articles instead of a link and summary?
* Posting internal company communications on a public board?
* Posting internal union communications on a public board?

Or how about...

* Playing on his personal laptop while in the cockpit when his full attention should be to the task he is being paid to perform?

Pot, meet kettle.

With the exception of an article that does not have a link who posts an entire article?

If union or company articles are emailed to an individual then why cannot they not be posted?

Who violates company electronic policy?

 

[EastUS1]

Sign Up for a Chance to Show Your Support in Washington D.C. for the US Airways and American Merger!

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You're just joking, aren't you? No? Well then: Welcome SUCKERS one and all!

"Because this is a volunteer opportunity, please be sure you have covered your scheduled work shift, trip traded, or are on approved vacation during the days of Sept. 17 and 18. ........ While you will not be paid for your time,...."

"volunteer opportunity"..? Oh yeah...Burn vacation days, and/or trip trade/etc? And naturally: "you will not be paid for your time"..? Wow! That's really and truly some grand and glorious "opportunity" all right. Sigh! There wasn't even any mention made of where the Koolaide vats were to be placed. I must assume employees are expected to bring their own.

"Because we are anticipating a lot of interest in this opportunity,..." Lotsa' luck with that fantasy.

 

[700UW]

700UW you're so easy to be played. Keep doing the same things over and over and expect a different result. By the way, why do you break forum rules and post labor comments in a non labor topic? Do you always break rules?

How obtuse are you?

There isnt a rule about that, the rule is not to start a new topic about labor.

No go run along and tell mommy, lol!