Sign or Resign AMFA cards

[Thomas Paine]

Dispatchers are part of the TWU at US, not their own union.

Pilots and FAs have their own CBA, just like mechanic and related.

ALPA doesnt represent all the pilots in the industry, as niether does the AFA represent all the FAs in the industry.

AFA is part of the CWA, the IAM and the IBT represent FAs and IBT also represents pilots and the TWU also represents FAs.

So once again you are all not 100% correct.

Even in the IAM mechanics are all in locals for mechanics aren't they? 141_M, 142-M etc, at AA Fleet service clerks get a say and vote on the content of mechanics contracts but mechanics do not vote in any way on Fleet Service contracts. You don't see a problem with that? Do Fleet Service clerks get a say in any FA or pilot contracts out there?

 

[700UW]

You have separate contracts, Fleet doesnt vote on M&R and vice a versa, your not the same class and craft and even the TWU held separate votes.

TWU members at American Airlines who work in Mechanics and Related classifications (M&R) voted in favor of the agreement by a vote of 50.25 percent to 49.75 percent.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Even in the IAM mechanics are all in locals for mechanics aren't they? 141_M, 142-M etc, at AA Fleet service clerks get a say and vote on the content of mechanics contracts but mechanics do not vote in any way on Fleet Service contracts. You don't see a problem with that? Do Fleet Service clerks get a say in any FA or pilot contracts out there?

The ONLY way we the mechanics of the airline industry will get a union that we control is to get rid of the IAM/TWU/IBT.

The NMB determines who will be allowed to vote when the cards are collected.

The IAM/TWU will attempt to dilute this with members of the company which are not eligible to vote but will add them to the list, along with the company. This has happened every time AMFA has filed or attempted too for all you guys who will say we failed this last time.

The IAM is no better than the TWU, it allows stock clerks, ramp, any group as long as they pay union dues. Its all about the money.

If you want the TWU gone from AA you will get with your fellow mechanics at your station, ask if they want the TWU GONE and what they are willing to do to accomplish that?

AMFA at AA

 

[Thomas Paine]

No, just sign the PS off and go back to sleep

Nice, so that's your suggestion on how we approach working on aircraft that people are flying on, sign off and go to sleep. Now if that doesn't make it perfectly clear to those who listen to you exactly what you think of the profession then nothing will. Shame on you, whats next, Quotes from Hitler?

 

[Thomas Paine]

You have separate contracts, Fleet doesnt vote on M&R and vice a versa, your not the same class and craft and even the TWU held separate votes.

Yes but I was told and read here fleet service clerk Presidents had a voice and vote as to the content and whether it went for a vote.

 

[Overspeed]

You have separate contracts, Fleet doesnt vote on M&R and vice a versa, your not the same class and craft and even the TWU held separate votes.

That's partially true. At the TWU we have some locals that have M&R and Fleet in them. Even though the negotiations may be separate the President of those mixed locals gets to vote for the M&R members during the negotiations. Once the TA comes out then only the M&R members vote on it.

 

[Overspeed]

Nice, so that's your suggestion on how we approach working on aircraft that people are flying on, sign off and go to sleep. Now if that doesn't make it perfectly clear to those who listen to you exactly what you think of the profession then nothing will. Shame on you, whats next, Quotes from Hitler?

No I prefer Dr. Seuss, "You make 'em, I amuse 'em."

You are quite correct, there are a lot of people reading these boards, including the company. They know how divided we are and I am sure they have some group or team reading them, collating them, and using the brilliant strategy comments of our negotiating team members against us. They know the line versus base problem and they use it against us.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

That's partially true. At the TWU we have some locals that have M&R and Fleet in them. Even though the negotiations may be separate the President of those mixed locals gets to vote for the M&R members during the negotiations. Once the TA comes out then only the M&R members vote on it.

Just ONE More reason that the TWU needs to GO.....

"YES" we all know that the company is/has read most of the comments here and will use them if you cross the line.

What is a shame that the TWU supporters here keep spreading more and more decent to keep the line/O/H at each other.

It keeps the TWU in power thus being able to continue to get the dues of the AA employees. The IAM is just another of the industrial unions just after the same thing.
That is why the AFL-CIO wants this alliance to work. Its not about the workers.

Everyone who reads this board has seen all the bs and crap that had many at each others throat. Outsiders from the IAM and other companies want to interject into what is going on here at AA. Thinking they have all the answers as to what the Mechanics at AA need.

The AA mechanics need to decide for themselves, what they want. More of the TWU or a CHANGE. The New TWU is not going to be the answer in my opinion, but the promises will be brought to light soon. Are you all willing to let the TWU take yet again from the future of your class and craft.

 

[Thomas Paine]

No I prefer Dr. Seuss, "You make 'em, I amuse 'em."

You are quite correct, there are a lot of people reading these boards, including the company. They know how divided we are and I am sure they have some group or team reading them, collating them, and using the brilliant strategy comments of our negotiating team members against us. They know the line versus base problem and they use it against us.

Yes I'm sure they do have such a team, and the head of that team is Don Videtich.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Is it time for us to rid AA of the TWU?​

As many of you know the NMB ruled against the AMFA to prevent the one year bar from the Employees of AA to file for a representation election.​

What does this mean for us?​

This means we must start from scratch again collecting cards.​

Talking with the other organizers from around the system who have been at this challenge for many yrs, many of us here at AA have gone quiet or thrown in the towel.​

Are we going to let the TWU win?​

Are we going to let the collusion between the TWU & IBT keep us from getting rid of the members of the ADT of the TWU who have kept you from getting what you deserve?​

Are you going to be a part of the solution this time around?​

It's not going to be about the TWU or the IBT, which one is better.​

It's going to be about you wanting the TWU gone.​

It's time for YOU to say I am going to do whatever it takes to help bring AMFA here to AA. If asked I will help get a card signed by other members of my crew. I will contact others throughout the system and ask them to help in this endeavour.​

You either want the TWU to be your bargaining unit at the next contract or NOT.​

If not then its time we start talking about what we will have to do to aid the main organizers at each station, to end the corruption and scamming of the TWU.​

Information about when this card drive will get started but it's up to you to make it a success.​

No Blame, No what if's, either you want the TWU gone or not.​

Lots of discussions went on during the many card drives here at AA.​

Lots of information was given to all of us here.​

It's UP TO YOU!!!!​

AMFA at AA

 

[1AA]

We all have to agree on two things.

First thing is do we want to get rid of the TWU?

If the answer to that question is YES then it brings up the next question.

Which union do we want to replace the TWU?

If we as a MAJORITY can not agree on ONE SINGLE UNION to replace the TWU then it will be a worthless venture to try to sign cards for the AMFA.

If guys are still talking about the Teamsters replacing the TWU after what they just did then we have a BIG problem. Its either AMFA all the way or we just stay with what we have because we can not change unions when we are divided.

 

[Vortilon]

No, just sign the PS off and go back to sleep

This is a perfect example of why the AMTs at AA are the lowest paid in the industry with the absolute worst benefits - we have sell outs - that think like overspeed negotiating for us. Funny, you never hear anybody saying the stuff overspeed posts on this BB - at work. Nobody wants the TWU around! It is understood that you're pretty much a loser if you support the TWU.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

This is a perfect example of why the AMTs at AA are the lowest paid in the industry with the absolute worst benefits - we have sell outs - that think like overspeed negotiating for us. Funny, you never hear anybody saying the stuff overspeed posts on this BB - at work. Nobody wants the TWU around! It is understood that you're pretty much a loser if you support the TWU.

Vortilon

If you are correct and no one wants the TWU around any longer then it is up to YOU and the guy's on your crew to talk with others at your station if they would support another AMFA card drive. Then ask yourself and others if they will do all it wil take to get the cards signed so that we can bring a Vote to AA and remove the TWU.

The New TWU will just be a repeat of the OLD, Do You or other want the TWU to be on the property when it's time to negotiate with the company?

Amfa@AA

 

[Overspeed]

This is a perfect example of why the AMTs at AA are the lowest paid in the industry with the absolute worst benefits - we have sell outs - that think like overspeed negotiating for us. Funny, you never hear anybody saying the stuff overspeed posts on this BB - at work. Nobody wants the TWU around! It is understood that you're pretty much a loser if you support the TWU.

Not a sell out. Look around you. How many AMFA supporters with their satin jackets are reclining in them in the Internet cafe complaining about how they should get more money? It will not help any union to have a large contingent of members who do not want to be held to any kind of professional standards.

I gotta give it to SWA, their interview process is awesome. The union, management, and HR all interview the applicants together. They don't want people with bad attitudes who want back each other up and I am not talking about mechanics only. Just having an A&P ticket doesn't make you a mechanic.

Want to be treated and paid like professionals? Act like it.

 

[Vortilon]

Not a sell out. Look around you. How many AMFA supporters with their satin jackets are reclining in them in the Internet cafe complaining about how they should get more money? It will not help any union to have a large contingent of members who do not want to be held to any kind of professional standards.

I gotta give it to SWA, their interview process is awesome. The union, management, and HR all interview the applicants together. They don't want people with bad attitudes who want back each other up and I am not talking about mechanics only. Just having an A&P ticket doesn't make you a mechanic.

Want to be treated and paid like professionals? Act like it.

You know, it's funny you bring that up. Why do you think there is so much apathy within the AMT ranks? Professional standards you say - now that is funny. We have a company that pays us just enough to not quit, and so we do just enough to make it look like we care. Money talks. Nobody is gonna give a damn with a sell out union (the twu), and a company that pays the worst in the industry, with the worst benefits. Pay us like professionals, and you stand a lot better chance of guys changing their attitudes. Most have had to pick up second jobs to help keep up with inflation, or work overtime. Kinda hard to be enthusiastic at work when you're too tired from having to work all the extra hours. Thank you TWU! I don't blame AA, it's their job to screw us, and make it look good. I blame the TWU!