Should US Allow Affiliates To Fly The E170 Family?

[cavalier]

Mwereplanes:

At this point, management has not provided any of the unions their idea of what labor's participation in the "Going Forward Plan" will be, therefore, any comments are speculative.

In regard to the scope relief, GECAS has directly told ALPA their views and the financier holds all of the cards. Moreover, ALPA's Financial Advisors have told the MEC that GECAS does not bluff.

Therefore, ALPA has very little leverage, period.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

My dear fellow U employee USA320Pilot...in your worldview no one except management has any leverage and therefore we are all foolish little children to buck the tide. We should all lie down and behave ourselves so management can mutilate and dissect us without so much as wincing. I had enough of these boards and the whipping boys on here for one day, actually for good…let Dave & Dave slaughter you wimps, lay down and die as boys if you want, it’s your life. Unlike some of you wimps I'll stand and fight until I leave this once great place called U.

 

[mwereplanes]

Mwereplanes:

At this point, management has not provided any of the unions their idea of what labor's participation in the "Going Forward Plan" will be, therefore, any comments are speculative.

In regard to the scope relief, GECAS has directly told ALPA their views and the financier holds all of the cards. Moreover, ALPA's Financial Advisors have told the MEC that GECAS does not bluff.

Therefore, ALPA has very little leverage, period.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

320:

We do know we are about to give unprecedented scope relief. I call that labor participation. Big time. We are about to set a precedent that could easily translate into other "financed" jets being sold or leased to other entities and flown on our former routes. If you don't think that could happen, you are way out there.

Leverage? If we condition just that scope relief with Siegel's ouster and refuse to grant the relief until he is gone I'd say we have leverage. Wouldn't you? Just how did we get here in the first place. Was it because of Siegel's excellent POR? Just how much structural change has this airline been subjected to? What has our retirement been used for? My problem is not with attempting to save the airline. My problem is with attempting to save it with incompetent management. Our leverage is substantial IF we are willing to accept the risk and look fear directly in the eye.

IMHO this is about finding someone who knows how to run an airline, lead and motivate employees and get this franchise where it should have been years ago. Do you think this guy is any better than our previous inept and incompetent leaders? Apparently you do. I do not. The fear that permeates this group is allowing this incompetent management to slowly kill this airline. It needs to stop right now. Not after scope relief. Now. And until you and the rest of the group are willing to risk our jobs for competence we will all eventually lose our jobs because of incompetence. You are looking months ahead. I am looking years ahead.

mr

Of course, I do not work for US Airways. Amazing I have to say that isn't it?

 

[AOG-N-IT]

mwereplanes,

We could move mountains if only more had your savy and grasp of the power that that we actually do have in these dealings. I cannot find a single aspect of your post that I don't completely agree with.

Keep Em straight my friend !!!

 

[mwereplanes]

AOG:

I appreciate the kind words but this is just common sense. Problem is that common sense leaves when fear enters the equation. No one can "Keep 'em straight" unless and until the fear factor goes away. And the one thing this management team is truly adept at is keeping that fear in the back of everyone's mind. Each and every day on the Hub you see news of the LCC's or other carriers making inroads or threatening our turf. You hear it each and every week in Dave's message. That is called managing employee expecations and keeping fear front and center. Not that we are not at risk, each airline is at risk. Our problem is that this management cannot solve that risk because they cannot operate an airline or lead and motivate employees. They can only manage ledger sheets. And not too well either.

All other legacy operating costs per ASM are coming down. Ours are going up. Not labor costs. Operating costs. This is documented in ATW and AW&ST. Our management cannot figure out how to lower our operating costs so they come to labor to subsidize their ignorance. And threaten liquidation or asset sales if we do not comply. And Bronner refuses to cut off Siegel at the knees for reasons only he knows. ALPA has the power to rid U of Siegel but will not stand and do it because of the fear mentioned above. It is amazing that the AMR flight attendants have bigger balls than the U pilots. Amazing and disgraceful.

I don't know if we can solve the problem of Dave Siegel. But I do know that regardless of what we give back this company will ultimately fail if he remains in charge. I, nor any reasonable employee, do not want to lose their job at US Airways. But until we hold Siegel responsible and are rid of he and his accountants we will lose our jobs. Sooner or later.

mr

I am not an employee of US Airways. I only pretend to be for posting purposes.

 

[TheLarkAscending]

mwereplanes -

You absolutely see the trees and the forest. Plainly spoken, truthful and dead on accurate.