SCABS... SCABS...SCABS

[local 12 proud]

"many men live their entire lives wondering if they made a difference....Marines dont have that problem"
Ronald Reagan, I believe.

"It is curious that physical courage should be so common in the world and moral courage so rare". ~Mark Twain

 

[groundcontrol]

Dude, you are DEFINITELY dating yourself if you remember felix the cat!

Dating myself???????!!!!!!!!
You obviously know felix the cat....is that your excuse?
ps....saw him on a kids shirt the other day....believe it or not he's still a hot cartoon. B)

 

[PlayTheOdds]

Ken I have been reading some of your other post and have decided you are the wrong person to be pushing the aviation AMT/A&P Profession into the spotlight for you do not truly represent the profession as a whole therefore you actually belittle or "erode" it as you like to say. You are catering to Unionized Airline Mechanics and are ignoring the rest of the industry, which represents a good portion of the industry. You despise Third Shop facilities even the ones in the United States that service a huge portion of the U.S. Registered Commercial fleet. I can understand your anger towards the overseas facilities but not the U.S. ones. Then there is of course your personal distaste for Scabs that carry FAA A&P Certificates that you claim has no mechanical abilities at all yet they are endorsed by the FAA, the same Administration that issued you your ticket. Then there is the concern of the AMT title itself that I am wary about because it is not an FAA Certified title. Anyone coming in off the street that has never even set foot on an aircraft nor turned a wrench before in their lives can get hired on at an Airline and instantly become an AMT. As where an A&P must have two years of school or documented experience then have to take a written, oral and a practical test. So what exactly do we have here?...Ken MacTiernan a man that wants to take anyone off the street and call them an AMT then belittle half of the A&P Mechanics in the industry then claim what a Skilled and Proud Professional Craft it is. You Union A&P's sound like a bunch of Idiots and then you claim that the rest of the A&P's are Idiots. What do you think this does for the Public perception of the A&P Mechanic? Even the companies we work for look at the profession as a bunch of bumbling Idiots. Take a look around your shop at the safety-posters...

Pilot is standing over a mechanic tapping his foot looking at his watch dressed in his flight uniform...AMT on his knees servicing a tire in cover-alls hat cocked back on his head with a dazed frantic look on his face.

A&P Mechanic on a fork-lift picking up an engine attached to the wing, pylon is buckling, bolts are breaking loose, dude in cover-alls same deformed hat with a damn I'm having a good time look on his face.

A&P Mechanic Blown through the air, looking like a flying monkey, from an exploding tire.

I won't even get into the LMS Training cartoons.

You are doing a HELL of a job Ken we applaud you keep up the good work. After reading your post I sure do feel Grand about the AMT/A&P Craft. I am sure the flying Public agrees.

 

[Don Smith]

Last night a SCAB working NWA a/c wandered into AA's maintenance department looking for parts for a Delta jet...

NWA AMFA AMTs are still on strike and they are still not alone. SCABS will always get treated like SCABS. They do not belong amongst honorable people.

Thanks for giving him a clue. These SCABs (vendor SCABs)are being told by the NWA SCABs that they are not really scabbing. The management certainly won't tell them that. When a group of us went to Wilmington, Ohio and picketed ABX because they were doing our work in CMH they got it. These SCABs think they have hit the big time working for NWA. It'll be a real laugh when NWA comes a callin' for more cuts in a few months

 

[PlayTheOdds]

Thanks for giving him a clue.

Welcome aboard Don Smith. Are you a NWA/AMFA AMT on strike?

 

[Don Smith]

...You despise Third Shop facilities even the ones in the United States that service a huge portion of the U.S. Registered Commercial fleet. I can understand your anger towards the overseas facilities but not the U.S. ones.

These wonderful third party shops you have a love affair with are the ones with 10 AMTs and one A&P to sign off all of their work. Case in point, NWA A&P and inspectors routinely did inspections of tail cone slide deployment. The ones fresh out of the vendors failed 2 out of ten times. Almost 100% had the installation wrong. I looked up the EO and the drawings were correct but the vendor simply decided to do it his way...and the kicker. an A&P or airline liason signed off on it. On a bright note, some NWA A&Ps that didn't SCAB are now being hired by the vendors so maybe things will change.

 

[groundcontrol]

well Don Smith....
just want to say welcome to the forum.

 

[Don Smith]

Welcome aboard Don Smith. Are you a NWA/AMFA AMT on strike?

Yes I am. I've been hired by another airline and I don't have to commute to DTW so things are good. But I'm still steamed that they took 17 years of hard work and s#*! canned it

well Don Smith....
just want to say welcome to the forum.

Thanks GC

 

[PlayTheOdds]

...On a bright note, some NWA A&Ps that didn't SCAB are now being hired by the vendors so maybe things will change.

If they perform struck work at NWA then they are Scabs but if they perform struck work through a vendor then their not scabs? Is this correct? You’re going to have a tough time convincing Ken of that.

Yes I am. I've been hired by another airline and I don't have to commute to DTW so things are good. But I'm still steamed that they took 17 years of hard work and s#*! canned it

Seventeen years? I think I would have been steamed as well. In hindsight do you feel striking was worth it? Did you work at DTW while you were with NWA?

 

[Don Smith]

If they perform struck work at NWA then they are Scabs but if they perform struck work through a vendor then their not scabs? Is this correct? You’re going to have a tough time convincing Ken of that.

The ex-nwa A&Ps that I am in contact with are not working on NWA aircraft. The Vendors that come onto NWA property and perform the work of striking AMFA A&Ps are SCABs. I would even go as far as to say that the rampers that are performing the work of AMFA A&Ps are also SCABs. I know some ABX mechanics that refused to go onto NWA property to work on NWA planes. But they did have some that piled in a van and went onto the property to work...those guys are the SCABs

If they perform struck work at NWA then they are Scabs but if they perform struck work through a vendor then their not scabs? Is this correct? You’re going to have a tough time convincing Ken of that.
Seventeen years? I think I would have been steamed as well. In hindsight do you feel striking was worth it? Did you work at DTW while you were with NWA?

Only the last two years. I would have taken the pay cut but it never made it to a vote. I voted no on the final version because it eliminated 3,000 positions, of which I was one unfortunately. But I will never regret not crossing the picket line...old Pittsburgh boy...union family...pride still intact.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

...I would even go as far as to say that the rampers that are performing the work of AMFA A&Ps are also SCABs...

I and most here will agree with you on this but you will have a hell of a time convincing the Rampers that are doing the pushbacks that. All they will say about it is "It's in our contract." Then they call us Scabs, go figure. It's good to hear from you Don. I have often wanted to talk to an actual NWA/AMFA AMT on strike for a long time now. Again welcome to US Aviation.com. It's a great sight. Have you been following this site at all before now?

 

[groundcontrol]

I'm sure you'll find this out if you haven't already.
PTO (his real name is Felix) is probably the proudest NWA SCAB on this forum.

As an x NWA mechanic myself, I just thought I'd give you the heads up. His attempts to try to flame bait ya are profound. I personally don't discuss/debate much with him BECAUSE HE IS A DIRTY LOWLIFE SCAB.

ANYWAYS WELCOME

 

[PlayTheOdds]

...I would have taken the pay cut but it never made it to a vote. I voted no on the final version because it eliminated 3,000 positions,...

I will never understand why AMFA did not give you guys the opportunity to vote on these proposals. It wasn't even my vote and I was pissed about it.

...of which I was one unfortunately. But I will never regret not crossing the picket line...old Pittsburgh boy...union family...pride still intact.

That’s good, I can actually understand that. That sounds a lot different coming from you than the usual AA riff-raff that regularly post here that talk about the fight but would never fight it.

 

[Don Smith]

I and most here will agree with you on this but you will have a hell of a time convincing the Rampers that are doing the pushbacks that. All they will say about it is "It's in our contract." Then they call us Scabs, go figure. It's good to hear from you Don. I have often wanted to talk to an actual NWA/AMFA AMT on strike for a long time now. Again welcome to US Aviation.com. It's a great sight. Have you been following this site at all before now?

I had it on my browser and just checked back in recently.
I've got to learn the navigation but it responds well to my computer so I will stay on.
You know I've worked at three stations in my career at NWA, and at every one the Mechanics did the pushbacks. Bobby Depace was the one who wanted the pushbacks to justify paying a ramper $21 and hour.
But like I said on the-mechanic BB, now they have them and bag smashing and they are making 25%less. Congradulations ramp. I just gotta laugh sometimes

I'm sure you'll find this out if you haven't already.
PTO (his real name is Felix) is probably the proudest NWA SCAB on this forum.

As an x NWA mechanic myself, I just thought I'd give you the heads up. His attempts to try to flame bait ya are profound. I personally don't discuss/debate much with him BECAUSE HE IS A DIRTY LOWLIFE SCAB.

ANYWAYS WELCOME

Thanks for the heads up.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

...now they have them and bag smashing and they are making 25%less. Congradulations ramp. I just gotta laugh sometimes
Thanks for the heads up.

They can keep the pushbacks as far as I am concerned. It would simply be a waste of my time I think. I'd probably give all the PAX's whiplash anyway, might even have to try to shake some carry-ons out of the overheads.

I've pushed two 9's back in mylife, which was here at NWA. No passengers just break riders. Both times I got my ears rung from laughter and profane insults as the nose strut fully extended and compressed a half dozen times. I never did ask if they had their seat belts on, they had a hell of a ride though. I decided that pushbacks were not my forte.