Retro Pay for Local 591 ASAP Coordinators

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Oh and to answer your question?  Do I support the pay increase that has the retro attached, the answer to THAT is "NO". I will Vote that way.
 
Not because they don't deserve it for the JOB they do it is BECAUSE as YOU SAID.
 
I screwed UP didn't put it on the Agenda. So if wasn't important to you all these months for them to get paid, why should it be for us as members?  why are You and GP Supporting it?
 
They are needed part of our industry to aid stores and AMT's when mistakes are made.
 
Did you put out enough information to the GSE and Facilities guys who are part of the Local 591 to have them say "YES" or "NO" ??????
 
"No" it's a last minute effort to slide this through. typical TWU tactics

 

[WeAAsles]

Oh and to answer your question?  Do I support the pay increase that has the retro attached, the answer to THAT is "NO". I will Vote that way.
 
"Not because they don't deserve it for the JOB they do" it is BECAUSE as YOU SAID.
 
I screwed UP didn't put it on the Agenda. So if wasn't important to you all these months for them to get paid, why should it be for us as members?

So this is the reason why you are going to vote no?

 why are You and GP Supporting it?
 
They are needed part of our industry to aid stores and AMT's when mistakes are made.

So if they're NEEDED as you say, then don't you think they should be compensated? Don't you want to be compensated for the work you perform? Don't you expect AA to give you OT when it's called for and they have you on the clock?
 
Did you put out enough information to the GSE and Facilities guys who are part of the Local 591 to have them say "YES" or "NO" ??????
 
"No" it's a last minute effort to slide this through. typical TWU tactics

Just my 2 cents whether asked for or not but it sounds like the only reason you are going to vote no is because you don't like the TWU or Bob?

You and others have stated how important the work is that these two guys do. Just because Bob (admitted) that he screwed up means now that you're going to screw them too?

I'm sorry but this makes NO sense. Judge these guys on the work they have done and continue to do for you and then ask this question, DO THEY DESERVE IT?

 

[The Truth Will Set U Free]

Bob you must be losing your Mind. I started off letting everyone on this board know who I am. I even commended you for doing the same. So stop trying to use the same BS about people hiding behind a alias. My Name is Larry Davis and I invite you to come talk to me in person. I work in Miami and EVERYONE knows Me.  Be careful trying to act tuff on this board. You may end up getting your AZZ whipped. 

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Just my 2 cents whether asked for or not but it sounds like the only reason you are going to vote no is because you don't like the TWU or Bob?

You and others have stated how important the work is that these two guys do. Just because Bob (admitted) that he screwed up means now that you're going to screw them too?

I'm sorry but this makes NO sense. Judge these guys on the work they have done and continue to do for you and then ask this question, DO THEY DESERVE IT?

 
WeAAsles
 
Go back and read context. My problem with this is the fact that Bob and the TWU didn't think it was important for them to get paid for 8 months. Or tell the members either.  Now it's time to attach retro to it. All the information was not put out to the members and its on the site to vote on with out particulars placed seems to be just another TWU BS deal. I don't LIKE the TWU that is a Fact. Bob I don't know I dislike some of his Points of view and his distrust for the Intl. but he still supports them. In his way. The working from with in and my city wants me or asked me line just doesn't cut it with me.
 
If the Local had come out from the beginning made it an issue that AA or the TWU Intl. had stopped payment of these guys and put out the facts then maybe my view of this would be different.  GP who just made a video about this said something to the effect that there is confusion about this. So that tells me that many throughout the system are asking WTF.?
 
Bob can get a pay raise then him and other members of the Local can distribute their work to others. What pay do they get. We don't get paid for doing multiple tasks with our job. I don't work O/T. 
 
The program itself has it's flaws and to rat yourself out a lot of AMT's feel they will not do. It is a safety program which helps the industry as well as individuals. It notifies the FAA and Nasa
of potential Aviation Problems and looks for ways to remedy these failures.
 
To Blindly vote on an issue without all the facts is what we at the TWU have done for many yrs.
 
Myself and many other are so sick of this way of doing things it's a trust issue and most will say just another scam if they can't put all the info out.
 
I know you putting your 2 cents in thinking its a union issue being a TWU supporter as You are. But this is a Local 591 issue Not yours.  

 

[WeAAsles]

 
If the Local had come out from the beginning made it an issue that AA or the TWU Intl. had stopped payment of these guys and put out the facts then maybe my view of this would be different.  GP who just made a video about this said something to the effect that there is confusion about this. So that tells me that many throughout the system are asking WTF.?
 

So GP made a video and Bob is also coming on here to explain the facts. So what's the problem then if all of your questions are being answered? If they wanted to hide something they wouldn't ask you to vote. They would have just done it. They also wouldn't be coming out to explain any of the questions you have. Bob admitted again that HE screwed up.

What are we all perfect now?
 

Bob can get a pay raise then him and other members of the Local can distribute their work to others. What pay do they get. We don't get paid for doing multiple tasks with our job. I don't work O/T. 
 

That's between your membership and the Local officers if they voted themselves a pay raise or not. If come election time you don't feel they are worth the money you're spending on them, then you vote them out. 

And I don't work OT either but what does that have to do with those two guys?
 

 

The program itself has it's flaws and to rat yourself out a lot of AMT's feel they will not do. It is a safety program which helps the industry as well as individuals. It notifies the FAA and Nasa
of potential Aviation Problems and looks for ways to remedy these failures.

I've been informed what the program is about and it seems like a worthwhile program even with the flaws. (An opinion) If you vote not to compensate these guys than if it was me I would feel like the membership is saying they don't appreciate what I'm doing. Human nature is going to gauge what kind of reaction you might get back when you tell these guys they ain't worth the little extra that's been talked about in this thread.

That's not a threat but I know what I would do if the membership said "F-You" to me. (Have fun, see you later)
 

To Blindly vote on an issue without all the facts is what we at the TWU have done for many yrs.
 
Myself and many other are so sick of this way of doing things it's a trust issue and most will say just another scam if they can't put all the info out.
 
I know you putting your 2 cents in thinking its a union issue being a TWU supporter as You are. But this is a Local 591 issue Not yours.  

You keep coming back to this being about the TWU. This isn't about the TWU. This is about "fairness" This is about those two guys.

You're packing your emotions into an issue that should have nothing to do with that.

You don't want to pay these two guys fine. You won't be hurting the TWU with that decision, that's for sure.

 

[WeAAsles]

Anyone ever think that "maybe" the Local didn't want to pay these guys until they saw if they were worth it or not? (Maybe Bob really didn't screw up)

Now maybe they are worth the pay, so they earned it?

 

[Kev3188]

Oh and to answer your question?  Do I support the pay increase that has the retro attached, the answer to THAT is "NO". I will Vote that way.
 
Not because they don't deserve it for the JOB they do it is BECAUSE as YOU SAID.
 

Your vote is your own, but that line of reasoning is all kinds of f**ked up.

 

[Overspeed]

Anyone ever think that "maybe" the Local didn't want to pay these guys until they saw if they were worth it or not? (Maybe Bob really didn't screw up)

Now maybe they are worth the pay, so they earned it?

 
When there was individual locals, I beleive every one had their own ASAP coordinator who was paid like a chairman. If you are saying not to pay people while they are own a "probation" period that wouldn't make sense. We didn't hire in to our jobs no pay until we complete probation.
 
I don't think Bob screwed it up. I would say the whole E Brd screwed it up when they created the ASAP position at 591 and didn't think about paying them. The E Brd sure made it important that the Int'l passed their salary increases without a vote. I know here Mishak, GP, and Schiable complained (sure the other officers were as well) about the Int'l not approving the bylaws and that they were underpaid for all their work. It seems when it doesn't pertain to the officer pay it's not that important.

 

[WeAAsles]

When there was individual locals, I beleive every one had their own ASAP coordinator who was paid like a chairman. If you are saying not to pay people while they are own a "probation" period that wouldn't make sense. We didn't hire in to our jobs no pay until we complete probation.
 
I don't think Bob screwed it up. I would say the whole E Brd screwed it up when they created the ASAP position at 591 and didn't think about paying them. The E Brd sure made it important that the Int'l passed their salary increases without a vote. I know here Mishak, GP, and Schiable complained (sure the other officers were as well) about the Int'l not approving the bylaws and that they were underpaid for all their work. It seems when it doesn't pertain to the officer pay it's not that important.

OUCH. (Condemnation possibly warranted?)

But again that shouldn't be put on these two hard working individuals backs. If they deserve the pay for their work?

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

OUCH. (Condemnation possibly warranted?)

But again that shouldn't be put on these two hard working individuals backs. If they deserve the pay for their work?

 
WeAAsles
 
That is why we have said you need to stay away from AMT's issues. You don't know the history behind all the politics that has gone on in the AMT locals.
 
And as I said its not the issue of paying them, its the process of this vote without the info being posted and all info from who was paying and why it stopped. It's the retro. Why didn't the E-Board look at the salary issue when they set the position? Why did they only insure they got paid? Why is so important to insure EAP and ASPA the same now? Why did Bob not insure they got paid 8 months ago? You defended bob about how he is answering questions here, he should of done that before the vote was setup.
 
It is Not about the two asap guys.

 

[700UW]

There you go again, Board Censorship.
 
Ok Stalin.
 
So screw the guys who help out their fellow AMTs stay out of trouble with the FAA.
 

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

There you go again, Board Censorship.
 
Ok Stalin.
 
So screw the guys who help out their fellow AMTs stay out of trouble with the FAA.
 

 
WeAAsles is an airline employee who supports the union he belongs too. You on the other hand are just a
know it all on every thread on the entire forum who wishes he was part of the industry. Who braggs about what he did when he was with the IAM.
 
He has a right to voice his opinion on airline union issues but should know the AMT side before he blindly supports the TWU.
 
You make big strides to comment on name calling but your the fisrt when to doit. You didn't like it when travis calls you out or the other poster who worked in the financial district.
 
Get a life outside of this your not in our industry anylonger your a want a Be.

 

[700UW]

Ok Mao.
 
You can fix airplanes and be highly trained but you cant comprehend the concept of a message board.
 
Buy the boards, or start your own, you dont make the rules nor determine who can post and who cant.
 
But I guess you arent smart enough to realize that.
 
How many times now have you told me not to post?
 
You follow the definition of insanity which is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
 
You are not superior to anyone else, get off your high horse and understand the concept of a message board, its not that hard, you can do it!
 
And your a bitter mechanic who hates life, your a keyboard warrior, and you want to screw your fellow mechanics who help mechanics stay out of trouble with the FAA.
 
Hope you dont make a mistake and need their help.

 

[WeAAsles]

JMO but if the membership chooses to vote no on this issue, I hope that either the Local or Bob set up a PayPal account so the retro can maybe be gathered for these guys.

I absolutely will make a contribution to that. (FSC or not)

 

[1AA]

I had to use the ASAP twice in my 30 years with AA. My issues were related to clarification of procedures. I had conversations on the phone and letters exchanged through snail mail with the ASAP coordinator. I believe they should be compensated. The issue that many of us have is attaching the retro pay to the voting selection. Better known as pork bellies in Washington DC. I voted in favor of the motion. I can see where this bothers one person more than another when you mention retro. Our union can not or will not ask for retro with the company but within our union affairs they have no problem throwing it out there. I hope it passes for the better of the members on the floor. This union wastes so much of our dues money I doubt anyone will be talking about this three months down the road.