Real Hope & Change - Ron Paul 2012
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Allow me take a stab at this.
Based upon what I read here it seems to me that the Ron Paul approach of allowing sovereign nations to decide their own fate without fear of military intervention from the US will benefit both the US and the citizens of Iran. Iran is in the process of finding its place on/off the international stage. If we allow things to play out we can then deal with it. If we end up dealing with a hard line militant regime and military force is required we can act accordingly. Conversely we can also trade with them or just ignore them.
The point is that until they pose a clear & present danger to us, we have the luxury of making some popcorn and enjoying the show
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Timely Article
This article despite its clear Neo-Con slant offers some interesting insight into Iran and to me points out exactly why we need to sit on our hands and wait until the dust settles. Let Europe, Russia, China attempt to back sides and when it's all said and done the USA says, "Hey want to be trading partners and maybe even friends?" Depending on who wins in the end they may just say, "Sure!"
This article despite its clear Neo-Con slant offers some interesting insight into Iran and to me points out exactly why we need to sit on our hands and wait until the dust settles. Let Europe, Russia, China attempt to back sides and when it's all said and done the USA says, "Hey want to be trading partners and maybe even friends?" Depending on who wins in the end they may just say, "Sure!"
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Your no fun! I was getting ready to point out that either the mullahs are becoming more dangerous, i.e. storming of the UK embassy. Or they were losing control of the country, i.e. repeat of 1979. Then you more or less agree with me, I think.
With the storming of the British Embassy I hope Mr. Paul has seen the true nature of the regime and has a change of heart.
One thing I will say however if the mullahs prevail by bringing down an iron fist we should still not give them the time of day. Sure they might be able to hold on a little longer but as history has shown you can only keep people down for so long.
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I said this quite some time ago. The general populace is not behind the Iranian leadership. Given the power of the internet and instant communication it is no longer as easy to keep people in the dark. Regardless of how hard the Iranian regime tries to keep western influences at bay, they are sticking a finger in a dike. I believe that if left alone, Iran will eventually fall. What replaces it is anyone guess but the current regime I believe has been on it's way out for some time now. It's a slow process right up to the point where the pressure builds up to far than then it will move fast. I think that the current leaders in Iran will use force to maintain their power and quite a few people will die, but in the end they will go the way of Mubarak, Gaddafi and soon Assad.
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Well I firmly believe that combined our assessment of the current situation is accurate. Where we may part ways is on what to do as the nation unravels. The way I see it is we stays away from any sanctions and such. Anything that could be construed as an act of war. We have our diplomats reach out on the down down down low and let the opposition know that once the dust settles we will be eager to trade with them and help them achieve their goals.
For better or worse we are a society that wants to "Do Something". In this case the very best "Do Something" is to do very little or nothing at all. The use of our clandestine services (CIA) has backfired so many times and we haven't learned from these oft glaring miscues, one of which was installing the Shah in 1953, an event we pay for to this very day.
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Folks, Ron Paul CAN WIN!
I'd go so far as to argue that he represents our last best hope for a free and open society envisioned by The Founding Fathers. A society based upon Individual Freedom and Liberty at the expense of Government power over our daily lives.
That is not a good sign for the nominee if they are only tied at this point. The Obama machine has not even began warming up and these guys have been running for President since 2006 and earlier.
O's polling across his previous support is way down........Carter ll
I understand that. However, he has not started up his campaign machine yet. It will be far more effective than last time (if that is possible). Even though his previous supporters are polling low now, they will not vote for the any of the current republican candidates. Romney represents all that the OWS/99% crowd despises. And that is Obama's base.
I could see him add Rubio to the ticket to try and lock in the far right and the Cuban vote, however, the rest of the Hispanic vote will go to Obama in a big way. They will be the voting bloc that re-elects him as long as they turn out.
Blacks will not support anyone but Obama.
If you can see the crowds at O's photo campaign stops/photo op's tells loads of where his campaign is.(if his handlers permit it)
His recent message from Iowa, there was no clapping,cheering or chanting.
Black's will not support anyone but Obama??
Sounds a little racist there Tech.
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Iowans are legendary for their get down and get loud style.
The Republicans feed Herman Cain to the hyenas and then get the Black vote.
Makes sense to you.
The Republicans feed Herman Cain to the hyenas and then get the Black vote.
Makes sense to you.
More like the truth Dude.
The black voting block in this country will support the Democrtic nominee, with few exceptions.
Just so happens that he is a mixed race dark-skinned male this time around.
