questions and answers with jeff hayden

[phlforce]

Jeff,
I give you credit. All the pounding your taking at work... your still standing for such a skinny guy. Get ready to fall when union cards go flying around.

 

[allstrike]

Folks,

When I first saw this thread I thought it was a bad idea, and it would turn personal. While it has meandered a bit, may I remind you all to keep it on union topics and refrain from making any personal attacks.

We will be watching closely, and will take action as appropriate.

Thank you,

Richard
USAviation.com Moderating Team

Folks please follow Richards Request,this is an important thread.Discussions here will impact 4 work groups that are separated by the company and there contracts.
Please lets keep the unity that was shown in the last vote alive.

And just a note from me,winning the COC isnt just about money for the east,its about raising the bar for all groups.If its won,then in transition talks in the future there will be a new target for our west brothers.They deserve this,they have been out in the sun,just like weve been out in the cold too long.

 

[phlforce]

I agree Tim!!!!!!

 

[Henderfuzz]

Jeff thanks for taking time to answer questions.
My question is this, being that I work at one of the 9 or so stations that have joint ops with our west counterparts Is there any chance we will see an agreement that brings them under our contract?
We have a very unique situation at these stations where we work side by side and yet we are not allowed to work flts together as well as join our work scheduals In many ways it makes our working conditions very difficult.
Our we going to be stuck this way for a while or is there a soultiuon comming?

 

[jeff hayden]

hello everyone my mom is still in the hospital please try not to ask any more questions until i can answer the ones already posted. I will do that tonight. thanks jeff

 

[phlforce]

Rick Anderson,
Are you reading these threads?Go clear a jam. Matter a fact go out to the gate you bid ,hummels line. Im sure other leads know how to clear a jam.

 

[phlforce]

Jeff,
Listen I know your taking alot of heat at philly. I have an idea. Call out for 3 weeks an grow a beard then come back to work.
Im sure noone will know who you are.

 

[605AW]

hi 605 this reply is for allstrike also, we used the value of the cic grievance to leverage changes in our current cba which is not ammendable until 2010. The arbitration case does not address the bankruptcy imposed languauge in our contract. I believed the membership would have been better served by addressing all the issues not just the top out wage. Such as class 2, 60 day rule, etc. I will go into specifics with you later if you want. This why we had a vote so the membership could make the decsion not the jnc. I believe the membership always makes the right decsion and I support that decsion 100 percent. great question this is the type of information we need to get out to the membership. my mom is in the hospital so I wont be able to answer anymore questions now. I will be spending the afternoon with her, maybe late tonight I can answer more. thanks jeff

Jeff...The CIC and T/A are two diferent issues and you know it. Did the JNC really believe the East FSA's would give away the CIC because they care more about a T/A? They could care less!!
As a West FSA...I could care less about the CIC!!! It is the IAM's responsibility to the members that the grievence process is carried through not bargained away or used as bait to obtain a T/A.

As a Class II West Station FSA...I expect that...whatever I brought to this merger...I at least keep. Nothing less. Before I had low pay but at least I had job security.

 

[wings396]

As posted before, the COC was used as a bargaining chip for the T/A with the intentions of making it a bit better. As we all know, the East FSA group was pretty much locked into their CBA until 2009, and this could have improved some things while making others worse. Given that you are in a Class 2 West station, you may as well start making plans to relocate, or find another job. I don't intend to come accross the wrong way, but I was in a Class 2 East station before it was outsourced. Both the "Old" & "New" US Airways don't feel that they have a need for their own people in the smaller outstations, and you can sit by and watch as the IAM permits them to outsource more jobs. They started the ball rolling with over 20 East stations, and look for it to continue until most of the Class 2 West stations are gone as well. If you guys can get them to keep yours alive, maybe you can persuade them to bring back the work systemwide. You saw it plain as day in this attemted T/A, they want to Outsource more Fleet work evenif they have to wait a few years to get it done.

 

[GoldenRam94]

Rick Anderson,
Are you reading these threads?Go clear a jam. Matter a fact go out to the gate you bid ,hummels line. Im sure other leads know how to clear a jam.

Better yet, throw him a cheeseburger! That dude needs to eat something.

 

[jeff hayden]

Jeff cut the b/s about "This why we had a vote so the membership could make the decsion not the jnc"... THE ONLY REASON WE GOT TO VOTE WAS BECAUSE THE CO. wanted to EXTEND our CONTRACT
which triggers a vote my the membership.. IF there wasn't a contract extension invovled then you and I know the union would have forced it on us[/b]..OK so you and Canale got the answer ..(which is no for the t/a..) unlike to cute little wording Randy puts on it saying "we vote to continue to COC grievance " what a line of crap .. Randy call like it is you feed us a bunch of s??t and we spit it back in your face

Orioleman, the contract entension triggered the vote per the bylaws put in place by the by the membership, as all bylaws are put in place, if the membership will get invovled we have the ability within the IAM structure to change bylaws that we do not feel benefits the membership the most. But that requires membership particapation. Had there not been an extension, I would have been oppossed to JNC making a decsion of this magnitude for the entire membership and I would have clearly stated such. Oh and also by voting down the transion agreement we were voting for arbitration it is one in the same, they were the choices. thanks jeff

 

[Tim Nelson]

Orioleman, the contract entension triggered the vote per the bylaws put in place by the by the membership, as all bylaws are put in place, if the membership will get invovled we have the ability within the IAM structure to change bylaws that we do not feel benefits the membership the most. But that requires membership particapation. Had there not been an extension, I would have been oppossed to JNC making a decsion of this magnitude for the entire membership and I would have clearly stated such. Oh and also by voting down the transion agreement we were voting for arbitration it is one in the same, they were the choices. thanks jeff

Jeff,
the membership is involved, don't go busting on them. You can talk about bylaw changes and other sidebars later, first you should start listening to your members. The leadership needs to get involved by doing their J.O.B. instead of being Parker's mouthpiece, however, we already know that isn't happening.

Further, you and Canale refuse to admit that this was a vote against your **** **** agreement. Arbitration is separte Jeff, you and Canale's boys just agreed with Parker to attach it and wish it away. Jeff, if the IAM would have taken the COC withdrawal out of the T/A, your little creation still would have flunked. I'm not following on why you don't understand this already. Surely you have listened to the brothers and sisters in PHL.

regards,

 

[jeff hayden]

lets get one thing strait. there was no vote in philly he was appointed.. and as for Tony he was outside of the union hall teling everybody out there to vote no along with Boland.. while jeff was telling them to vote yes... they where told by us in philly we did not want a contract with an extention.. but they gave us one to vote on anyways... thats how well they listen to us... its bad enough we have to fight the company now we have to fight our own union to.... as for Canale never like him and i don't think he has our best interest at heart......hes on the borad of directors of united remember..... sorry for the spelling... thanks

hello phillyone, the decsion to bring the contract back for a vote was the most fair thing to do, for the entire membership. I was well aware that the membership in phl did not want an extension nor do I think any other city for that matter wanted an extention, but my role on the JNC was to represent the whole membership. I also never liked when the leadership did not take a postion to help the membership make the best and most informed decsion possible. As far as fighting the union I dont quite understand that, the membership was always going to make the final decsion with a democractic, majority rule vote set up by the bylaws of our union. thanks jeff

 

[redeye]

You speak of voting by the bylaws, and yet the bylaws dictate that the
vote be completed by all stations simultaneously.
There was approximately a month from first notification. Why did it
take two weeks to complete? Why were stations that had locals within
50 miles allowed to vote at their station and others not? Why were
stations not allowed the same time to vote as other stations?
Why were some stations not given notice?
By-laws were written to prevent manipulation of the vote.
This vote smacked of manipulation.
141 has enough AGC's and Locals to provide for a simultaneous vote.
There was more than an adequate amount of time to notify the stations
of the time and place to vote.
Why do By-laws only apply when it is convenient for Randy?

 

[phlforce]

Lets not forget the "SPIN DOCTOR" Just take a look hes pointing his philosophy at you PHILLY.