questions and answers with jeff hayden

[jeff hayden]

Jeff,
You do well to mention that the IAM's duty is to enforce the contract. But since the TWU served a section 6, the IAm was duty bound to enforce that part of the contract also. The IAM has failed in this by refusing to bargain in section 6 for the west coast stations. 1.5 years after the TWU/IAM agreement on May 9th, you and Canale have not enforced the TWU agreement by enforcing section 6. You guys played around with the east coast arbitration. You owe those workers out west an apology, how would you like it if a union that nobody voted for or wanted came on the property and then shelved section 6 negotiations? The west is getting educated Jeff, and they are on to your game.

Did you inform them that you had to enforce section 6 since it was already served?????

regards,

Tim I dont know where you get your information, but stating that the IAM has refused to bargain in section 6 for the west is definitely not true. Once again that is something that I dont think I will be involved with so I dont know what game you are talking about. I was on the nego. comm. for the TA thats it. please your are really wasting my time. If any west members have questions on this I would suggest you contact your AGC and get some accurate information. If you are having trouble with getting answers, let me know and I will help you. jeff

 

[jeff hayden]

Hello everyone I am up to page 10 have a good night. See you later. jeff

 

[Ramp Rogue]

i have no problem going with date of hire.. hell i would jump up alot here in philly...matter of fact no one has a problem with that at all. we have been saying we want date of hire for a long time now.. so get your storie strait before speaking for us here in philly

Hello Philly,

If everyone in Philly has wanted DOH for a long time, with all of the so called power that Philly has why haven't you guys got it changed to DOH? What's stopping you guys? Is there some hidden agenda that the rest of the system doesn't know about? Let's us know if there is. Then maybe we can take the right avenues to get DOH. If someone out there starts the protest, I know that I will back you 100%. Let's get it done people, let's get it done!

 

[orioleman]

During his and Rich Johnson' visit to Phoenix during the acquiescences of IAM over TWU Bill addressed us at the smoking area. He then addressed the adjenda as to how the ARBRATION was addressed. Two day of verbal, one month written, two months into the time the ARBITRATOR then dictates the decision. Some time during this he divulged he was an attorney. And he stated the Abitration is no more than a decision as to weather union or company then have an UP on the next round of contract talks. No one East or West got money until the next round of talks on the united West or East until a New Contract. Ask him youself.

Lith,
Get your hands on the (east contract) .. it spells out the COC.. Billy boy is blowing smoke up your a...

 

[orioleman]

Well first, figure out what you want to change. I thought we needed more commmunication and information, so we started to have informational meetings, steward meeting in addition to our regular meetings. I also would have liked to have a monthly newsletter and I asked a couple of guys to help but unfortunately they didnt have time. Maybe you could do it ?. I also came on this forum to get more info out to the membership. This is how we are trying to make a change. When you know what you want to change, let me know and we can work together to get it done. These are my thoughts. jeff

Jeff.
Not just talking about PHL.. CLT has HAD NO INFORMATIONAL MEETINGS, Nor they plan any.. to answer your question.. YES I WOULD like to get invovled with a survey.. MY ??? to you is who do I speak to about setting this up.. The THREE AMIGOS in CLT like to keep people in the dark.. SO it is up to US the membership to find out the facts,

WHEN you say we are trying to make a change are YOU speaking on behalf of the IAM or just PHL local.. Theres a big difference.. because IF your speaking on behalf of the IAM national.. YOU need to use something other than a message board..

thnks

 

[perserverance]

Lithuanian-
'' you don't know me from adam'' but I do not lie.
Bill Chandlee is no attorney...I offered you his #' he knows
and I hope you misheard cause I actually like Bill. If and when
you find this to be a lie I would hope you put as much credence
in what alot of us are saying...They tried to sell us out.

Thanks

 

[GoldenRam94]

Hey Michelle Ozeroszki I had no idea you were a Klingon you could have came out and told us.

You need cleavage!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim I am not side stepping any questions. My answer to your question is I do not think that will happen. As far as transitioning the west folks, I dont believe I will play a role in that. I think it will be west guys and the union. jeff

Huh?
There you go again Jeff. Jeff, what the hell is that? Unless the implication is that you are doing the right thing and resigning. If you are resigning then I hope you do it quick for the sake of the PHL workers. Although I'm thinking you will be asked to step down, I realize this may be a wrong implication of what you just wrote this morning so I will proceed below.

You start out by talking with an authoritive statement. That's good. But then you do the opposite. You start dribbling with "I do not think" "I don't believe" "I think". What the hell? So far, the only authoritative thing I have heard you say is that I'm wasting your time. No offense taken.
You didn't stumble on that one but Jeff, but I'm not the one that signed the latest treason. You did. Don't you know yet that you have been wasting 7,700 workers time by agreeing with Parker and not standing with Plan A? Did you forget Plan A Jeff?

Why can't you do what Dave Lolly did in PIT and say that the people voted the contract down, NOT because of the arbitration but because the contract was inequitable? Why can't you say that Jeff? I hope you have, is there anyone from PHL who will give testimony that Jeff has finally admitted that the contract was inequitable and that's the reason why it was voted down???? Jeff has told me, "I understand why you voted the transition agreement down." Jeff you can NOT move forward without first realizing that the last contract was inequitable. Do you understand that yet? People need to hear you say that Jeff. Workers are sacred and they deserve more than your pussyfooting answers. It was inequitable Jeff, and it has nothing to do with opinion. It was inequitable all by itself. Parker knows it was. The workers knew it was. But I haven't heard you say that it was? Let's end this question and answers with Jeff hayden until you can first come clean on this. How can anyone have confidence in you moving forward if your foundation doesn't recognize the last contract as inequitable?

At any rate, you did play a role in the west Jeff. You did play a role in transition Jeff.

Jeff, what bothers me dearly [assuming you weren't asked to step aside] is the implication of your last two sentences is that the west will be transitioned into the east without a a full participation vote.

At any rate, Jeff, you are wrong and it is a lie you are spreading when you told the PHL guys that there wouldn't have to be a vote if the contract was not extended. There were major changes in that enema and it would have either produced a ratification vote or a DFR. This I know 100%.

Further, although your position is consistent with the IAM, you are wrong to transition America West into the current bankrupt contract without a vote and with current CBA pay scale. Screw transition Jeff and start doing your job of section 6 negotiations. Justice can be found in section 6, quite screwing around with Parker on transition. Parker only wants to open up one or two articles in transition talks. Force him to open up the whole contract in section 6 for the west side. The east can wait and join them in just over a year, the workers are ready to see this thing to the end for a fair and equitable contract AND is not ready to yield to Jeff Hayden, IAM/Company on a contract that is inequitable.

regards,

 

[diogenes]

Hello Philly,

If everyone in Philly has wanted DOH for a long time, with all of the so called power that Philly has why haven't you guys got it changed to DOH? What's stopping you guys? Is there some hidden agenda that the rest of the system doesn't know about? Let's us know if there is. Then maybe we can take the right avenues to get DOH. If someone out there starts the protest, I know that I will back you 100%. Let's get it done people, let's get it done!

IAM accepted the seniority system at US fleet as is. Not a big surprise: most unions do when they pick up a new group.

Why?

Because rearranging an existing system is a sure way to:

a. immediately piss off the majority of new members who have lived with that system for years, and

b. beg for a lawsuit. How?

If the new arrangement disproportionately affects employees by age, race or gender, you've got a ready-made lawsuit. Thing is, any rearrangement will probably do that, even if that's not the intent. Plus, courts tend to go with precedent.

For a union, it's easier not to go there.

Moreover, if IAM decided they were going to hang their hat on DOH, the company would assign a value to the costs of changing over to the new system, which would come out of pay/vacation/insurance etc. I'd bet the farm a majority of the membership doesn't want that.

That may not be fair, but that is the way it is. I know you aren't going to turn this loose, but you need to know you are wasting your time.

 

[phlforce]

BRUCE REANO
These are different moods hes in at different time.

 

[IAM1776PHL]

I understand your position and I dont think the scenario you put in your post is fair to you or anyone else. There is a committee of fleet service members doing the seniority intergration ask your local reps for the contact info and voice your concerns. I am not on that committee so I cant fix that for you. thanks jeff

jeff would like to explain DOH vs. adjusted seniority?

IMO as I remember..... to protect themselves Phl and Pit and the iam cut the deal
so seleted Piedmont emp. would not jump ahead of US emp.
no one voted on this .....

Do you remember?

need I go any further.....

 

[GoldenRam94]

jeff would like to explain DOH vs. adjusted seniority?

IMO as I remember..... to protect themselves Phl and Pit and the iam cut the deal
so seleted Piedmont emp. would not jump ahead of US emp.
no one voted on this .....

Do you remember?

need I go any further.....

This was done prior to the IAM coming on site. Piedmont had many workers who had been part time for years. If they went Date of Hire they would have risen above a lot of guys in Pit Phl Buf and Bos the 4 Teamster cities.

 

[Tim Nelson]

During his and Rich Johnson' visit to Phoenix during the acquiescences of IAM over TWU Bill addressed us at the smoking area. He then addressed the adjenda as to how the ARBRATION was addressed. Two day of verbal, one month written, two months into the time the ARBITRATOR then dictates the decision. Some time during this he divulged he was an attorney. And he stated the Abitration is no more than a decision as to weather union or company then have an UP on the next round of contract talks. No one East or West got money until the next round of talks on the united West or East until a New Contract. Ask him youself.

lithuanian,

another point is that the arbitration is a grievance, it's already been negotiated. It's in the contract and it's non-negotiable.
Unfortunately, the IAM has been fixated on the east siders COC and has not done its job of moving forward with section 6 negotiations out west. 18 months and nothing. And Billy apparently continues to tell you folks that you have to wait for the COC. Nonesense, it is the IAM's duty to enforce section 6 and they have failed in this as witnessed by the TA.

If the IAM had its way, the 20% differ in geo pay would have been thrown out also.

regards,

 

[Richard]

Keep the discussion on the issue and questions. Let's stop the sniping, and PHL FORCE, stop referring to union members by name and posting photos designed to ridicule them.

We're real close to closing this one folks........

 

[wings396]

BRUCE REANO
These are different moods hes in at different time.

Have you posted anything yet that really makes any sense or contibutes to this topic?? It must be a real joy adding images to all of your posts, kind of a new toy for you I suppose.....