PUP Scorecard 2008

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Typical AMR board meeting before the PUP payouts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBk-1shFQjQ

 

[Hopeful]

Typical AMR board meeting before the PUP payouts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBk-1shFQjQ

Now no need to insult monkeys like that.

 

[FrequentFlierCA]

I remember a thread from last spring where it was rumored that the execs would not take the payouts. Lots of people on here said, who cares? It's too late!

So will it do any good? Will it generate any goodwill? If not then they might as well take it, if offered.

 

[FWAAA]

I remember a thread from last spring where it was rumored that the execs would not take the payouts. Lots of people on here said, who cares? It's too late!

So will it do any good? Will it generate any goodwill? If not then they might as well take it, if offered.

I seem to remember a thread where someone asked if the execs would turn down the PSP payouts - but there was no serious question about whether the execs would. It would surprise me if the execs turned down the payouts.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Lets just say they did turn down the checks.
What do you think we the employees should do. Work harder ???
Give more because they did???

Even if they did turn them down nothing would change the "good will" is long gone...

 

[ReadyNow]

The same thing as the pro management posters here will say...AA MANAGEMENT COMPENSATION IS GROSSLY INFERIOR TO THAT OF OTHER CORPORATIONS.

How is it that AA's bad management is the only major to avoid Chapt 11? Or would it be good management to go to Chapt 11 and cnx the union contract outright...

 

[AC AA LA FA]

How is it that AA's bad management is the only major to avoid Chapt 11? Or would it be good management to go to Chapt 11 and cnx the union contract outright...

It is to be noted that the only reason AA avoided Chapter 11 was because of the efforts set forth by its employees. Elusive promises, which have turned out to be flat out lies, inspired employees to choose a restructuring outside BK. We were promised "shared gains" for our "share sacrifice" I have only experienced the sacrifice now for 5 years while management has seen its share of some generous shared rewards.

Lets also remember that the leadership of AMR brought the company to the brink by failing to anticipate what might happen in the market, not labor. Managers manage and they didn't do such a hot job leading up to 2003. (see Don Carty)

I see no merit in any bonus for exemplary performance....none...period.

As I see it, and I know I speak for many flight attendants, that WE ARE DONE ASKING for what should fairly be ours. We will make every effort to TAKE it back, through whatever means necessary.

 

[iluvaa]

Amen shared sacrifice share the gain was there chant, they GAIN we sacrifice. We have zero faith in the leadership of this company. All they have done is lie to us and stall, there 2 proposals full of more consessions is such a slap in the face they have nothing but contempt for us and we know it so they can kiss our rear

 

[The Goose]

Amen shared sacrifice share the gain was there chant, they GAIN we sacrifice. We have zero faith in the leadership of this company. All they have done is lie to us and stall, there 2 proposals full of more consessions is such a slap in the face they have nothing but contempt for us and we know it so they can kiss our rear

That's why I'm taking the tack I am now. I am not interested in the union's position as their only concern is dues flowing in. The company "leadership" want their bonuses and the balance are too scared to act.

We all have to be reminded that the gains by workers over the last 100 years did not come about by playing it safe. People actually died for what they believed in - many are more worried about the new bigscreen they bought to watch the Superbowl on. Rather sickening.

 

[eolesen]

Point of order... AMR did avoid bankruptcy, and the employees were definitely a key part of that, but they were not the only reason.

Vendors and creditors agreed to cuts that were equal to those of the employees. Management also made changes which cut expenses and capital spending.

You can rightly give employees some of the credit, but not all the credit.

And no, I don't give exec management any of the credit. The ideas on where to cut spending came from the L3-L6 managers. The L8's and above just took the credit.

 

[Bagbelt]

Can I blame you for tripling the national debt and outsourcing half the military with sweethart deals then?

 

[eolesen]

Sure, if we can blame the Clintons for Osama Bin Laden not having being taken out of circulation when we had the chance... but I digress...

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< ----- This whole economic fiasco is not just a Republican, or Democrat, thing, it's both!----- The big boys haven't figured out how we beat the bad guys in WWII!------- We out produced them!------- We can't do that today! Both Republican, and Democrat have been chanting the mantra of "Free Trade","Free Trade'! When they should have been chanting "Fair Trade"!

 

[FrequentFlierCA]

Lets just say they did turn down the checks.
What do you think we the employees should do. Work harder ???
Give more because they did???

Even if they did turn them down nothing would change the "good will" is long gone...

So then I have to ask the obvious question: what's the benefit to management in turning down the money? If that wouldn't be considered an olive branch, what would be?

 

[The Goose]

So then I have to ask the obvious question: what's the benefit to management in turning down the money? If that wouldn't be considered an olive branch, what would be?

Their heads on a pike would be a nice start ....