PSA 900's Dead

[supercruiser]

......your mainline contracts give away flying, then expect the the innocent young kids coming into this industry to sacrifice their careers.

If he would have asked, I would have advised my friend who is an FO at PSA to vote in favor of whatever rate they could come up with to fly the 900's, take the Capt bid, get the type rating and the PIC jet time, then get the heck out of there asap. As a young Express pilot, I'd never consider working there any kind of career, and would do what I needed to do to get the experience, then move on.

Falling on a sword so some outfit like Mesa could end up getting the same planes looks self defeating. It's just a matter of how far you push it before someone blinks.

 

[nostradamus]

If he would have asked, I would have advised my friend who is an FO at PSA to vote in favor of whatever rate they could come up with to fly the 900's, take the Capt bid, get the type rating and the PIC jet time, then get the heck out of there asap. As a young Express pilot, I'd never consider working there any kind of career, and would do what I needed to do to get the experience, then move on.

Falling on a sword so some outfit like Mesa could end up getting the same planes looks self defeating. It's just a matter of how far you push it before someone blinks.

You would have given your friend the correct advice. It is too bad alpa and mainline pilots eat their young instead of mentoring them.

 

[WSurf]

If he would have asked, I would have advised my friend who is an FO at PSA to vote in favor of whatever rate they could come up with to fly the 900's, take the Capt bid, get the type rating and the PIC jet time, then get the heck out of there asap. As a young Express pilot, I'd never consider working there any kind of career, and would do what I needed to do to get the experience, then move on.

Falling on a sword so some outfit like Mesa could end up getting the same planes looks self defeating. It's just a matter of how far you push it before someone blinks.

And then more and more 90/100 seat aiplanes show up on the property with crappy pay rates to replace more and more mainline aircraft!!! And thats just what we need! NOT!
Your thinkin is screwed up!!! 90-100 seats need to have a better pay scale!!!
We keep this up, and it will make everyones journey to a major even longer!
PSA did the right thing!

 

[BoeingBoy]

FWIW, the company & Bombardier have filed the eighth extension of the deadline for reaching agreement on the CRJ orders:

NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS HEREBY STIPULATED AND AGREED, by the Reorganized Debtors and Bombardier, as follows:

1. The deadline for the Reorganized Debtors to assume or reject the Agreements is extended through and including October 5, 2006, and may be further extended by agreement of the parties.

2. The Court shall retain jurisdiction to hear any matters or disputes arising from or relating to this Stipulation.

Jim

 

[supercruiser]

Your thinkin is screwed up!!! 90-100 seats need to have a better pay scale!!!
We keep this up, and it will make everyones journey to a major even longer!

90-100 seaters shouldn't even be at Express, but at mainline, but the barn door's open now (I voted no, but not enough others did). Other US Express carriers will end up doing it. The journey's already a much longer path because of all the outsourcing. I'm sorry now that I got my friend at PSA involved in aviation, so he could join this crappy trail. I'd still advise to get the time, and get out.

 

[flyin4peanuts]

FWIW, the company & Bombardier have filed the eighth extension of the deadline for reaching agreement on the CRJ orders:

NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS HEREBY STIPULATED AND AGREED, by the Reorganized Debtors and Bombardier, as follows:

1. The deadline for the Reorganized Debtors to assume or reject the Agreements is extended through and including October 5, 2006, and may be further extended by agreement of the parties.

2. The Court shall retain jurisdiction to hear any matters or disputes arising from or relating to this Stipulation.

Jim

Hey Jim,

We all appreciate the inside knowledge. If you are correct, the heading for this thread "PSA 900's Dead" is technically incorrect. I'm quite the optimist. According to Mr. Marc Stanley, "There is considerable consensus a deal can be reached..." Now that raises a few eyebrows :huh:

Regards,

Peanut

 

[RowUnderDCA]

How about LCC and Rep Holdings swapping all EMBs for larger CRJs. I guess this will end up with mainline having smaller aircraft than one of its express carriers... I guess that would raise eyebrows. But keep the CRJs on shorter feeder routes.

 

[flyin4peanuts]

??? so quiet...something's cookin ???

 

[chichi]

??? so quiet...something's cookin ???

900s will die all together or go to republic. mY 2 CENTS.

 

[Bluestreak]

The PSA MEC and PSA Management were/are very close to a deal. However, this negotiation has turned into a closed door battle between Duane Woerth and Doug Parker. DW wants to score a victory before the ALPA election and DP doesn't want to give up the first nonconsessionary contract of any legecy carrier since 9-11.

 

[smfav8r]

??? so quiet...something's cookin ???

I don't want to open a can of worms on this subject...but I will anyway....there are currently contracts overseas to fly the 900 for a good amount of money....$100K+ per year.

This lifestyle is not for everyone, but maybe, just maybe someone with-in the PSA MEC could point this out to the PSA management.

If said captain is current and qualified on the 900 making the blended pay, it would be a pretty big carrot to jump ship and make much more money.

Just my two cents.

 

[flyingcat]

I don't want to open a can of worms on this subject...but I will anyway....there are currently contracts overseas to fly the 900 for a good amount of money....$100K+ per year.

There is a very high need for pilots overseas however let us analyze the situation.

Emirates has tons of capacity coming, with practically every widebody that Airbus and Boeing make. In a recent Wall Street Journal article a former US 330 pilot was interviewed about his generous salary and 5 star accomodations. But all the middle east carriers are in buy mode with som\ much cacpacity that everyone knows it is a matter of time till the huge overcapacity issue make the American airline industry troubles look like a hiccup.

Second and probably more ominous is that many of these regions are opening up flight schools to train their own citizens to be pilots. Soon pilots will be more plentiful and you can bet the pay will sufffer

Embry Riddle is not opening a campus in Qatar for nothing.

If you are up for the challenge then it would be exciting to go but don't fool yourself that the Golden Goose over there will forever prosper.

 

[Bluestreak]

The US is the only place in the world that isn't short on pilots. We've had a couple PSA guys jump ship for internatioanl carriers. Once hiring and recalls gets up and running in the states management better look out. PSA has a high atrition already.

 

[a320av8r]

Usairways Doug Parker wrote off the PSA pilots in his latest meeting with employees.

What is Alpa and the rest of the pilots in the industry going to do for PSA for standing up to the Crj 900. Nada, Zip, zero. Alpa pilots voted to ok rjs and when they started to be placed at different companies, the same people that voted for it, cry to their mamas when someone gets them.

Do not show the yellow on your back when your mainline contracts give away flying, then expect the the innocent young kids coming into this industry to sacrifice their careers. Leadership is what they need and the present Alpa wears pink panties when it comes to this.

If you expect pilots to at PSA and other regionals to back you, you have to back them by putting your but on the line and make a sacrifice.

Cris Beebe talks tough in is non paycutted ivory tower, but no one up there walks the walk. The should feel ashamed about themselves.

I am a Mainline Pilot, that is frankly tired of watching my peers pick on the young regional pilots. We are leaving them a disaster because we have no guts

Why is this the mainline pilots fault?

 

[smfav8r]

There is a very high need for pilots overseas however let us analyze the situation.

Emirates has tons of capacity coming, with practically every widebody that Airbus and Boeing make. In a recent Wall Street Journal article a former US 330 pilot was interviewed about his generous salary and 5 star accomodations. But all the middle east carriers are in buy mode with som\ much cacpacity that everyone knows it is a matter of time till the huge overcapacity issue make the American airline industry troubles look like a hiccup.

Second and probably more ominous is that many of these regions are opening up flight schools to train their own citizens to be pilots. Soon pilots will be more plentiful and you can bet the pay will sufffer

Embry Riddle is not opening a campus in Qatar for nothing.

If you are up for the challenge then it would be exciting to go but don't fool yourself that the Golden Goose over there will forever prosper.

While I agree with most of your statement, you must look at some other aspects too:

A contract is just that, a contract. It's not intended to be forever. Make some money and move on to the next deal. I compare it to the electrician unions. On a seniority list, waiting in the cue for the next job. This isn't for everyone and just like the US airlines, there are crummy contracts and good contracts.

I can't recall exactly how Emirates works, but I think you get hired on a contract then are eligible for full time employment at the end of the contract. This was many moons ago, so it may have changed to just being hired on as an employee not a contract pilot. Either way, companies like Emirates offer gainful full time employment just like a US airline. Once again, living in Dubai isn't for everyone, me personally, I think the place is great, but my wife would never go for it.

As far as capacity is concerned, most of the foreign airlines route structures are based around global international service. The overcapacity in the US is primarily our domestic route structure. With the global economy, I would imagine there will always need to be a substantial amount of lift between cities like Singapore, Sydney, Tokyo, London, Paris, Dubai, Bombay, NYC, etc.

Personally, I could see some CRJ pilots at any of the regionals saying, I've had enough, do a contract for a year or two and then hope the US industry gets it together.