President Trump

[KCFlyer]

Don't take it personal.
I and a few others respect your opinions and insight.
If you remember, I endured much worse than you trying to get Trump supporters to think.
Hackman still gives me a red and I have not given him one.
That's how it rolls here.

Take Care,
xUT

Hackman's only given you one red?

 

[xUT]

Hackman's only given you one red?

One at a time...

 

[signals]

I don't even know where to begin to unpack that post?

My father enlisted in the Marine Corps to get out of the trouble he was in while a teenager in a bad section of Brooklyn. By studying hard, he then qualified to go to officer candidate school. Through continued hard work he was able to get high test scores. With that, and having 20/15 vision, He was able to turn that into a slot in pilot school, where he was given an officer commission and transferred to the Navy, flying patrols over the Bering Straight during the Cold War. He then ended up flying off aircraft carriers as the Vietnam war started. He finished his career doing 5 years at the pentagon. He is my hero. (Happy Veterans Day Dad, I miss you!)

My father had nothing...but parents who were son/daughter of German and Polish immigrants that made their way here through Ellis Island. They had no money. His dad worked on trucks for a New York bread company and his mom packed bread at that same company until they laid them both off with no pension or severance. Luckily he was able to land a job working for a borough working on trucks.

I made my way through A&P School by cleaning the toilets, buffing the floors at the school at night, and working at the local fast food joint on weekends and holidays. After being in my aviation career for 10 years and seeing the airline bankruptcies coming, I decided to go back to college. I used the student loan programs to get my bachelor and graduate degrees. I will be paying off those loans for many years to come.

Me and my family are the American dream. I support many of the things Trump and Sanders talked about in the campaigns. I do not support any of his and Bannons anti-semite and alt-right rhetoric. I also don't support any the racist black panther and blm crap. They can be left out on the fringe where they belong. Let's help the middle class get back the losses of the 90's - 2000's.

By the way, the new software on this forum does not show anyone's posts that I have on ignore, and unlike before, it doesn't show the quotes, so you may be referring to something I don't see. I put a couple of the idiots on ignore here (fa la la ta da, insp4).

First, this new site sucks imo! But lets get to the point that proves that most suffer from Stockholm Syndrome either mild or severe.

I don't doubt your intelligence or your suffering to achieve your American Dream, God Bless you. Regardless what you did to get where you are, I find it insulting taking the side of a democratic liberal culture that aims to destroy America.

When I came to the USA, being a first generation immigrant(LEGAL), it no longer was an Ellis Island process, but a custom and INS process through port of entry NYC. We prospered and had the American dream but in the 70s my father decided to return to his country of origin and take me back with him and my mother to their little village in the mountains of Calabria, because he hated snow and preferred the simple life.

I was going through what you refer to as culture shock. I was taken from a modern USA life to an ancient 3rd world country life. And the people in my town were anti-American pro-Communist/Socialist ideology. Although I defended the American ideology, I was ridiculed by the anti-American sentiment and subject to ridicule and verbal and mental torture because I would not speak bad about America. In April of 1972 I went on a cruise that involved Tunisia. In Tunisia you sensed a hatred for Westerners and the occupants had a sense of hatred towards you. Hard to explain unless you experienced it. People would laugh at you like they knew something was up. Remember the Munich Olympics? Do you know that this was the start of the invasion?

In 1976 when I finally returned to the States, 3 years after the oil embargo the Saudis made a deal with European politicians to lower the price of oil IF they allowed Muslim immigration and find them jobs. Well look at the results in Europe!

Look around you today, and what I a LEGAL immigrant ran from is staring me in the face again. Back to my father. He wasn't the brave role model you would identify with. But inquiring and putting facts together in my town, I found that my father was a brave soul in his own right. The problem with America, yes I have to swallow my pride on this one, is that we really haven't been exposed to actual WAR.

Food was rare in war torn Europe. You can't eat money, yet my father crossed German lines to supply his family with something to eat. These are stories that were verified by countless villagers who actually were subjected to war.

So I am thankful for this country and I don't take it for granted. I had to suffer as a LEGAL immigrant being accused of stealing American jobs. I threw trash, loaded trucks, cleaned dishes, and currently I am a JANITOR who cleans toilets because I make more money than my AAS liberal arts degree can ever earn me.

I hope you understand why my political views are to stand for making America Great and watch Muslim invaders, so I can't understand why your views don't TRUMP mine!

 

[signals]

Okay...Obama made milions in speeches, and I'm sure Trump will too. But Trump stood to make a lot more with the Trump Network he won't be able to run.

And whenever I try discissing issues, I get called a snowflake or libtard. I asked if someone could define what "great again" means ? WHat to we do to make America "great again". I read one post with a reference to "flat tax/fair tax", which is something Steve Forbes ran on 20 years ago. It still hasn't gotten any footing. The few Trump programs that he has discussed in the campaign is wall building, exporting illegals, kicking the sh!t out of ISIS and ramping up the military, along with cutting taxes and repealing Obamacare and replacing it with "something great"...

So help me....what might be the "something great" that will replace Obamacare. How do we pay for wall building? How do we pay for ramping up the military? What do we do for the 3 or 4 years it will take for enough jobs to be created to cover the loss of revenues his tax cuts will bring (assuming that many jobs get created)?

I'll be brief...CREATE NEW JOBS that benefit the working American Your something to replace OBONZOcare is anything that TRUMPS this disaster! I would rather my tax dollars pay for the wall and eliminate welfare. The military should be why we pay taxes to begin with. Create full time high paying deserving jobs over welfare like skilled trades and college educated jobs rather than raising minimum wage to destroy existing jobs!

 

[KCFlyer]

I'll be brief...CREATE NEW JOBS that benefit the working American Your something to replace OBONZOcare is anything that TRUMPS this disaster! I would rather my tax dollars pay for the wall and eliminate welfare. The military should be why we pay taxes to begin with. Create full time high paying deserving jobs over welfare like skilled trades and college educated jobs rather than raising minimum wage to destroy existing jobs!

How do we create new jobs? I have had LOTS of righties tell me that it's not a corporations duty to create jobs....their duty is to the shareholder, and that usually means REDUCING jobs - so how do we create jobs? I agree...we need to create jobs. The question is...HOW? OUr military is the largest in the world. BIgger than the next 8 combined. Should we abolish social security and medicare? It would suck for me since I'm close to retirement, but it wouldn't impact my mom and dad, since they died 10 years ago. But if YOU want to cut YOUR mom and dads benefits....more power to you.

I just finished putting a kid thru college..she got a bachelors degree in health promotion. She wants to become a physical therapist...that's a high paying, college educated jobs that requires a doctorate AND will cost just over $100,000. Daddy can't help her with that - should we make college more affordable? I was 35 before I had a loan over $100,000...and that was to buy a house. If my kid gets that doctorate in physical therapy....she'll basically have a mortgage without a house and she'll get a job starting her at about $50k per year. Good money, but she'll need to pay rent (about $1,000 per month), groceries, utilities and gas (about $500 per month), a student loan payment (about a grand per month), and start saving for her retirement. She'll most likely never own a home.

So how do we create all these great jobs? Creating jobs sounds great....it's the HOW that gets a bit trickier. I do have to grin a bit at your comment about spending tax dollars to build a wall. That is ONE way to create jobs, but it just sounds odd as hell coming from a right wing conservative.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

First, this new site sucks imo! But lets get to the point that proves that most suffer from Stockholm Syndrome either mild or severe.

I don't doubt your intelligence or your suffering to achieve your American Dream, God Bless you. Regardless what you did to get where you are, I find it insulting taking the side of a democratic liberal culture that aims to destroy America.

When I came to the USA, being a first generation immigrant(LEGAL), it no longer was an Ellis Island process, but a custom and INS process through port of entry NYC. We prospered and had the American dream but in the 70s my father decided to return to his country of origin and take me back with him and my mother to their little village in the mountains of Calabria, because he hated snow and preferred the simple life.

I was going through what you refer to as culture shock. I was taken from a modern USA life to an ancient 3rd world country life. And the people in my town were anti-American pro-Communist/Socialist ideology. Although I defended the American ideology, I was ridiculed by the anti-American sentiment and subject to ridicule and verbal and mental torture because I would not speak bad about America. In April of 1972 I went on a cruise that involved Tunisia. In Tunisia you sensed a hatred for Westerners and the occupants had a sense of hatred towards you. Hard to explain unless you experienced it. People would laugh at you like they knew something was up. Remember the Munich Olympics? Do you know that this was the start of the invasion?

In 1976 when I finally returned to the States, 3 years after the oil embargo the Saudis made a deal with European politicians to lower the price of oil IF they allowed Muslim immigration and find them jobs. Well look at the results in Europe!

Look around you today, and what I a LEGAL immigrant ran from is staring me in the face again. Back to my father. He wasn't the brave role model you would identify with. But inquiring and putting facts together in my town, I found that my father was a brave soul in his own right. The problem with America, yes I have to swallow my pride on this one, is that we really haven't been exposed to actual WAR.

Food was rare in war torn Europe. You can't eat money, yet my father crossed German lines to supply his family with something to eat. These are stories that were verified by countless villagers who actually were subjected to war.

So I am thankful for this country and I don't take it for granted. I had to suffer as a LEGAL immigrant being accused of stealing American jobs. I threw trash, loaded trucks, cleaned dishes, and currently I am a JANITOR who cleans toilets because I make more money than my AAS liberal arts degree can ever earn me.

I hope you understand why my political views are to stand for making America Great and watch Muslim invaders, so I can't understand why your views don't TRUMP mine!

Thank you for that. I respect you and your opinions and posts. I can look past the 'tards' and such when I see meaningful and thoughtful ideas and opinions buried in the writing. I have seen that with you. Part of the problem with the liberal elites have been ignoring the intensity of folks like you. Sanders saw it as did Michael Moore, for maybe different reasons. However, it is striking that they wanted to get to the same finish line, with slightly different ways of getting there.

 

[signals]

Okay...Obama made milions in speeches, and I'm sure Trump will too. But Trump stood to make a lot more with the Trump Network he won't be able to run.

And whenever I try discissing issues, I get called a snowflake or libtard. I asked if someone could define what "great again" means ? WHat to we do to make America "great again". I read one post with a reference to "flat tax/fair tax", which is something Steve Forbes ran on 20 years ago. It still hasn't gotten any footing. The few Trump programs that he has discussed in the campaign is wall building, exporting illegals, kicking the sh!t out of ISIS and ramping up the military, along with cutting taxes and repealing Obamacare and replacing it with "something great"...

So help me....what might be the "something great" that will replace Obamacare. How do we pay for wall building? How do we pay for ramping up the military? What do we do for the 3 or 4 years it will take for enough jobs to be created to cover the loss of revenues his tax cuts will bring (assuming that many jobs get created)?

OK lets get down to it...
Before 2008 I had what you might call civil service insurance where I paid $15 a month with a $10 doctor deductible. In 2016 I pay $60 a month with a $25 doctor visit. Oh but wait, some doctors don't accept my insurance and I end up paying over $100 more.

The wall is a metaphor. Drones, Extra patrols, barbed wire fences, cameras, etc. all deter illegal behavior.

The military? Well sorry but I hope Trump has a better plan, but I am more than willing to cut social programs to benefit our military and veterans...I know you don't agree but I work for a living!

The job failures which are currently happening are due to the $15 an hour minimum wage crowd, because raising the minimum to their delusional expectations will cut jobs. I see it don't you? Well then thanx for wasting my time trying to blind you with an ounce of intelligence!

 

[Zom JFK]

Once again, good riddance to bad garbage!

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Once again, good riddance to bad garbage!

That is helpful. Thanks for the intelligent debate.

 

[KCFlyer]

OK lets get down to it...
Before 2008 I had what you might call civil service insurance where I paid $15 a month with a $10 doctor deductible. In 2016 I pay $60 a month with a $25 doctor visit. Oh but wait, some doctors don't accept my insurance and I end up paying over $100 more.

The wall is a metaphor. Drones, Extra patrols, barbed wire fences, cameras, etc. all deter illegal behavior.

The military? Well sorry but I hope Trump has a better plan, but I am more than willing to cut social programs to benefit our military and veterans...I know you don't agree but I work for a living!

The job failures which are currently happening are do to the $15 an hour crowd, because raising the minimum raise to their delusional expectations will cut jobs. I see it don't you? Well then thanx for wasting my time trying to blind you with an ounce of intelligence!

Now for a dose of reality. You paid $15 per month before Obamacare. Do you have any idea how much your employer (even if it was the government) was paying towards that premium? My employer sends me a packet annually about what they REALLY pay me (above and beyond salary). They've done is since before Obama. Before Obama, I 'paid about $100 a month for health insurance for my family. My employer paid an additional $900 per month. WE had a $20 copay. Today I have a high deductible plan for health insurance for me and my 23 year old daughter. I pay $30 per month. My employer pays $900 per month. That's for a high deductible plan. So there is no copay. But I DO get to use the contract price, so a doctors visit that cost $100 is negotiated down to $64.

Now...when we roll back Obamacare -my 23 year old daughter will have to get her own health insurance. Maybe her employer will pay part of it - but if she goes to grad school and borrows the $100,000 to go...odds are, she won't be able to get an employer sponsored health insurance plan for working a part time job. So she'll be on the hook for insurance coverage. Considering most Americans have had their health insurance premium subsidized by their employer, and she won't...she'll most likely be looking at $800 or so per month for a plan that will have a $6,000 deductible. How do you convince her that Obamacare sucked? What 'really great' plan do you think will be proposed that will allow her to afford health insurance coverage while going to school and accumulating over $100k in student loan debt? I know...she's young and they don't sick that often. But last year, she was riding her bike to class when she was hit by a car. Emergency room visit. We got to pay the negotiated rate, but if she goes without - well...there's another debt hole being dug. So I'm all for something "really great". I can hardly wait to see what it is.,

And while I'm divorced, I still care about the mother of my child. A person who had something called a "preexisting condition" (rheumatoid arthritis). Under Obamacare she was able to purchase a high deductible, albeit expensive plan. But that plan would cover things like breast or cervical cancer should she get them. After we repeal Obamacare, she once again won't be able to purchase insurance at any price to protect her. So I'm hoping something "really great" will cover her too.

The wall was most certainly NOT a metaphor in the election. The chants were "build that wall"....not "build that metaphorical wall", You might understand that, but you might need to splain it to a LOT of Trump supporters who don't understand what "metaphorical" is.

I'll bet I work harder than you do for a living, and I am not willing to pay more to ramp up our military. Especially when it's being used as an offensive weapon. By a guy who questions why we just don't use a nuke. What social programs do you cut that will A) allow you to ramp up the military while B) lowering the debt that is ruining this country? You DO realize that most of the right wing noise machines consider Social Security and Medicare to be "entitlement" programs...just like food stamps...don't you?

But I guess the bottom line is that the 8 years I heard the right screaming about the debt was them just blowing smoke out their azz....they don't give a rats patoot about the debt...it just sounded great. They are willing to watch it skyrocket, just so long as we don't spend it on "welfare queens".

Final note...in the 2012 election, the righties were hitting hard about "the 47% of Americans who paid nothing in taxes". To them, that statement was all about welfare cheats and lazy azz people who just wouldn't get out to work. Don't look now, but the guy you just elected president has paid nothing in taxes for over a decade....you elected one of the 47%.

 

[KCFlyer]

Once again, good riddance to bad garbage!

And of course...the other noise from the right 'now is the time for us to unite behind our president elect". Like you guys have done for 8 years.

 

[Zom JFK]

That is helpful. Thanks for the intelligent debate.

It's better than half the crap you throw out there Glen. Makes more sense too.

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Yeah and this little gem brought a lot to the table. At least mine was funny.

 

[Zom JFK]

And of course...the other noise from the right 'now is the time for us to unite behind our president elect". Like you guys have done for 8 years.

Yes I remember the riots when Obama was elected both times. Just dreadful.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Still waiting...

 

[KCFlyer]

Yes I remember the riots when Obama was elected both times. Just dreadful.

In NOvember 2008 on another message board, some posters were hoping that Obama might get "MLK'ed" before the inauguration. Once he said "so help me God", conservatives said their number one priortity was insuring that he would be a one term president. And back then, a guy who was at the peak of his radio ratings (el Rushbo) said "I hope he fails". Then...just 6 months into his first term, in a speech on the floor of Congress, a republican shouted "you lie". Is THAT the kind of respect we should offer our new president elect? Is THAT how we should "unite around him"?