Possible Restoration of Lost Wages for Flight Attendants

[WeAAsles]

More dodging. So do you agree that language won in arbitration can be changed in negotiations? We had negotiated, ratified language changed with the stroke of Jim Littles pen-we lost profit sharing. 
 
Show me in the contract where there is an aggregate based wage adjustment. The NPA said if they don't reach an agreement there would be, but they did. Was the aggregate wage adjustment in the TA or Not. If so I don't see it. If such a letter came out afterwards then I would say they have it but I see nothing that leads me to believe its in the current agreement. I'll admit I can be wrong, but I'd like to see something. 

Why don't you give the APFA a little time to write out the full language and clarify their position on that issue? I'm sure that they will have a very clear LOA signed by both them and the company once they put out the entire JCBA in one concise writing.

 

[Bob Owens]

No I'm compltely on subject. It just seems like your glass is always half empty? I'm asking you if you have any renewed faith that the people who will be negotiating for you in the JCBA talks will be able to get you back some of the things you want? Why is that a difficult question?

Because it has nothing to do with the question of whether or not the aggregate adjustment is in the deal or not. You say it is, all I asked is to show me in the contract where it is. We are talking about the APFA contract here aren't we? Isnt that what the thread is about? 

 

[Bob Owens]

Why don't you give the APFA a little time to write out the full language and clarify their position on that issue? I'm sure that they will have a very clear LOA signed by both them and the company once they put out the entire JCBA in one concise writing.

Fair enough. 

 

[WeAAsles]

BTW I agree with you that I wish our negotiators had been a little more forward thinking in regards to how the 401k was crafted in BK. They should have formulated it the same way that the APFA did. Even if that tiered formula is only for 5 years.

 

[WeAAsles]

Because it has nothing to do with the question of whether or not the aggregate adjustment is in the deal or not. You say it is, all I asked is to show me in the contract where it is. We are talking about the APFA contract here aren't we? Isnt that what the thread is about? 

Oh my extreme apologies. I must be the first one ever on this Forums page to go off on a tangent.

I just wanted to ask you if you have begun to have any renewed faith in the Union you belong to and have fought for in the past?

Should I ask that question somewhere else since I already answered you on the original topic?

 

[WeAAsles]

Glading said she “would have preferred that flight attendants ratify it in the beginning.
 
“I think there was some confusion,” she said. “Some people who voted no were told they could do better in arbitration. But once the arbitration was out, everyone could see the landscape and see what the contract looked like and know that we could do no better. I felt it wasn’t fair that people had gambled and lost.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2014/12/20/american-flight-attendants-helped-doug-parker-so-he-pays-them-back/2/

I like how this moron Trice Johnson says that they shouldn't have accepted the money after they had already voted down the TA. Do people really follow these types of morons?

 

[boston]

Unfortunately, people do listen to Trice Johnson. he yet has come up with any viable alternative to anything!!! He sites nothing nor has an example of anything that would hold up in negotiations/mediation/arbitration, it is all would of should of could of. It is evident at the Miami base and with Trice Johnson, that and Eastern Airlines style of relationship with management. He has no credibility with many FA's. management and could you imagine the outcome of our jobs with a "Demand" mentality with DP,SK.
 
God help the IMA base if he gets in a Chair. The response  would be when someone needed help "grieve it". Currently at IMA. Randy Troutman and Todd Mcjunkin bend over backwards to represent the base any time of the day or night they are there.

 

[WeAAsles]

Unfortunately, people do listen to Trice Johnson. he yet has come up with any viable alternative to anything!!! He sites nothing nor has an example of anything that would hold up in negotiations/mediation/arbitration, it is all would of should of could of. It is evident at the Miami base and with Trice Johnson, that and Eastern Airlines style of relationship with management. He has no credibility with many FA's. management and could you imagine the outcome of our jobs with a "Demand" mentality with DP,SK.
 
God help the IMA base if he gets in a Chair. The response  would be when someone needed help "grieve it". Currently at IMA. Randy Troutman and Todd Mcjunkin bend over backwards to represent the base any time of the day or night they are there.

The unfortunate reality is their are too many people out there who listen to and follow the morons who yell the loudest. Everytime in my career that one of those fools get's into office it's the membership who winds up being hurt the most. They don't care at the end of the day because at least they got a few years sitting in a leather chair collecting added income on the members hard earned work.

The APFA put out a ton of video's explaining what would happen if it went to Arbitration and people still listened more to those idiots on FB instead of the people who were telling them the truth.

People get what they deserve I guess but unfortunately again they also breed and produce more idiots into the world.

 

[nycbusdriver]

 "What was the point of voting?" they say. 

 
I'm glad the FAs got their raise.  But the "No" voters do have a point.  Why was there a vote if the APFA leadership can override it anyway?  The leadership pushed hard for the TA, the membership (barely) said no, and the leadership basically said: "Too bad.  We know better than you, anyway, so we are going to ignore the results."
 
(I agree that the leadership did know better in this case.  But really, why vote at all, then?)

 

[WeAAsles]

 
I'm glad the FAs got their raise.  But the "No" voters do have a point.  Why was there a vote if the APFA leadership can override it anyway?  The leadership pushed hard for the TA, the membership (barely) said no, and the leadership basically said: "Too bad.  We know better than you, anyway, so we are going to ignore the results."
 
(I agree that the leadership did know better in this case.  But really, why vote at all, then?)

They didn't override the vote. The "Hard 40" language that they wanted out so badly that was removed and then they voted no to anyway is now a part of their CBA. The only thing brought UP were wages.

Do you think they should have voted on just that one item? Maybe they would have voted no even to that? lol.

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

Glading said she “would have preferred that flight attendants ratify it in the beginning.
 
“I think there was some confusion,” she said. “Some people who voted no were told they could do better in arbitration. But once the arbitration was out, everyone could see the landscape and see what the contract looked like and know that we could do no better. I felt it wasn’t fair that people had gambled and lost.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2014/12/20/american-flight-attendants-helped-doug-parker-so-he-pays-them-back/2/I like how this moron Trice Johnson says that they shouldn't have accepted the money after they had already voted down the TA. Do people really follow these types of morons?

Trice is butthurt because LG won, so it torpedoes his campaign to be the next leader of APFA. He was willing to throw the entire flight attendant work group under the bus to discredit Laura and further his own political gains... It's disgusting.

 

[WeAAsles]

Trice is butthurt because LG won, so it torpedoes his campaign to be the next leader of APFA. He was willing to throw the entire flight attendant work group under the bus to discredit Laura and further his own political gains... It's disgusting.

He wasn't "willing" to do it. He succeeded.

The members especially in MIA should buy a bag of tomatoes to throw at this guy the next time they see him.

 

[bigjets]

Trice is butthurt because LG won, so it torpedoes his campaign to be the next leader of APFA. He was willing to throw the entire flight attendant work group under the bus to discredit Laura and further his own political gains... It's disgusting.

Sounds like Ted Cruz, shuts down gov to stop obamacare, accomplishes nothing and costs the economy $24B

Sounds like Miami is a hotbed of anti LG, doesn't the whole board vote on what is brought back to membership. It's not like LG is a dictator.

 

[johnny kat]

From everything I heard on the conference calls, MIA was by far the most vocal in regards to the "Hard 40" language needing to be removed. I would have assumed when the hard 40 was removed MIA would have voted for the contract. It is just all the more ridiculous to see MIA voting down and then getting the hard 40 back because they listened to the moron Trice Johnson. If I were based in MIA I would make sure this guys name was never placed on a ballot anywhere.

And the same goes for PHL. The ranks are tightening and coming together on this. Anyone who has posted comments in any public forum and expects to run for any APFA position had better believe when the campaigning begins anything that was posted that was misinformation or flat out lies will be exposed to the members.

 

[WeAAsles]

From everything I heard on the conference calls, MIA was by far the most vocal in regards to the "Hard 40" language needing to be removed. I would have assumed when the hard 40 was removed MIA would have voted for the contract. It is just all the more ridiculous to see MIA voting down and then getting the hard 40 back because they listened to the moron Trice Johnson. If I were based in MIA I would make sure this guys name was never placed on a ballot anywhere.

And the same goes for PHL. The ranks are tightening and coming together on this. Anyone who has posted comments in any public forum and expects to run for any APFA position had better believe when the campaigning begins anything that was posted that was misinformation or flat out lies will be exposed to the members.

The momentum for voting no came off of Facebook. Some of us tried to post all the numerous APFA information and video's that were being put out but people wanted to pay attention to the "Outrage" more than the "Reality". Fox news thrives on that kind of crap.

Hey don't forget the other name out there who was trying to bring it all down and still is on his little lonely and quiet FB page. Rock Soloman.