Pilot job action?!

[777 / 767 / 757 Love]

Of course, how would you guys caving in help them when their turn to negotiate comes? They realize whats at stake.

Well, since the APA knows what AA can and cannot afford and knows how to run an airline and its ok for the APA to criticism and point out what they think AA management has done wrong, guess its cool if management publicly states the pilots don't know how to fly right, that their landing techniques blow and are causing too much wear and tear on the planes.

Or are we working on a double-standard? Only a petulant child reacts the way the APA did: "you yelled at me for doing somethig wrong so now I won't talk to you".....sounds like a 17-year old girl to some boy she is dating......give me a break.

Cheers,
777 / 767 / 757

 

[Hackman]

Flipside.... Richey Rich and the band of arrogant compAAny minons ran to Big Daddy BK Judge in 2011 because the stubborn employees refused to give more concessions after squandering the 2003 "Pull Together to Win Together" $1.8 Billion employee credit card for 10 years. Richy Rich from Centrepork Hills will have his way in 2012 or else he's gonna get his Big Daddy BK judge to show those small time losers that have to fly aircraft for a living "their place in society". They are vile, those filthy little worker bricks. Richey Rich will have his billions in new aircraft, his $20 million UK mansion, lifetime guaranteed first class family flights on his personal airline, and his unearned millions in bonuses because my Big BK Daddy on the bench says I can. Yeah Love, give US a break.....go buy a new Lambo or something.

 

[Rogallo]

I GOT MINE.......and I'll take yours too...!!!

 

[strikeforce]

Of course, how would you guys caving in help them when their turn to negotiate comes? They realize whats at stake.

you've got to give the pilots credit for sticking together. they at least forced the company to react. the pilot labor groups have always gone to bat for their members.....can't say the same for mechanics. pathetic!

 

[777 / 767 / 757 Love]

Flipside.... Richey Rich and the band of arrogant compAAny minons ran to Big Daddy BK Judge in 2011 because the stubborn employees refused to give more concessions after squandering the 2003 "Pull Together to Win Together" $1.8 Billion employee credit card for 10 years. Richy Rich from Centrepork Hills will have his way in 2012 or else he's gonna get his Big Daddy BK judge to show those small time losers that have to fly aircraft for a living "their place in society". They are vile, those filthy little worker bricks. Richey Rich will have his billions in new aircraft, his $20 million UK mansion, lifetime guaranteed first class family flights on his personal airline, and his unearned millions in bonuses because my Big BK Daddy on the bench says I can. Yeah Love, give US a break.....go buy a new Lambo or something.

I know your are but what am I? Is that where we are going?

You have no clue, cause if you did you would realize 2/3 of the BK has revolved around costs OTHER than labor.

It's like talking to teenagers.....

Cheers,
777 / 767 / 757

 

[AA-MRO.COM]

but labor takes 2/3 of the concessions even though it has nothing to do with us

Clueless

 

[jersey777]

2/3 of the costs other then labor?...you mean AA reduced costs over 1.2 billion in other areas? I'd like to see the specifics please.

 

[Bob Owens]

I know your are but what am I? Is that where we are going?

You have no clue, cause if you did you would realize 2/3 of the BK has revolved around costs OTHER than labor.

It's like talking to teenagers.....

Cheers,
777 / 767 / 757

Yep, cutting things like leases on Fokkers, A300s and terminals and facilities they abandoned years ago but were still paying for, and those guys are no doubt getting shares in the new company on top of getting their assetts back.

Do you really expect us to believe that labor isnt the one taking a disproportionate hit here?

 

[AA89]

I know your are but what am I? Is that where we are going?

You have no clue, cause if you did you would realize 2/3 of the BK has revolved around costs OTHER than labor.

It's like talking to teenagers.....

Cheers,
777 / 767 / 757

Yes, there are some non-labor cost reductions. The point of the labor groups is: What is necessary for labor to give in order for the company to be profitable? Management is going too far and will walk away with riches off the backs of labor. Just like they did after 2003.

Either you think the steady erosion of pay and benefits in this country and the obscene pay and benefits awarded to executives is a good thing or you don't. My guess is you thinks it's wonderful. Labor doesn't. It's pretty much that simple.

Something to remember. If a worker is willing to lose pay and benefits through either a strike or possible chapter 7, it must be pretty important to them. It doesn't have to make sense to someone on the outside.

 

[NYer]

Wonder how well the FAA would interpret the letter?

Don't write up broken airplanes......

The floggings will continue until morale improves.

Meanwhile the can is kicked farther down the road........

The FAA has been overseeing the airline in a heightened state since November 29th and there hasn't been an issue with the way the pilots have handled their "maintenance" issues. All these arguments about having necessary items brought to light will have little to no weight in Court. The APA will need to respond as to why as of September 13th, all of a sudden, there is a heightened amount of scrutiny being given to things ignored or put off on September 12th and everyday before that.

It is incredible easy for American to show that this is a "job action" since it started the day AFTER they abrogated their contract.

Everyone has to be smarter than that. If these things are going to work, they need to be done consistently and over the long term. In this case, on November 29th when the airline filed for bankruptcy and the FAA ANNOUNCED HEIGHTENED SCRUTINY, these "concerns" should have been started. Not the day after they get abrogated. C'mon!

During the bankruptcy, the US Airways pilots lost a similar injunction for sick out's and maintenance write up's. Why is this a surprise and how can we make the same arguments other airlines make and lose with. C'mon!

 

[Super FLUF]

Sooooooo........what will this injunction say? Don't write up broken items? Don't call in sick? Who will be the judge of whether a broken item is "legitimate"? Will we even be allowed to call an item in to see if it is legitimate, or have we committed some sort of "crime"? Should we show up to work sick? Is that allowed by FARs? What if I am tired? Should I just fly anyways? Maybe AA has a machine they can hook up to me to see if its a "legitimate" tired, or maybe I'm just melancholy.

TRO = another self inflicted gunshot wound by Denise Brundage

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Sooooooo........what will this injunction say?

It will look something like this:

<snip>1. USAPA and its members, agents, and employees, and all persons and
organizations acting by, in concert with, through, or under it, or by and through its order, are
enjoined from permitting, instigating, authorizing, encouraging, participating in, approving, or
continuing any interference with Plaintiff&rsquo;s airline operations, including, but not limited to, any
slowdown, strike, work stoppage, sick-out, work to rule campaign, or any concerted refusal to
perform normal pilot operations in violation of the RLA, pending a hearing on the permanent
injunction.
2. USAPA shall take all reasonable steps within its power to prevent the aforesaid
actions and to refrain from continuing the aforesaid actions if commenced, including, but not
limited to, the following:
a. Instructing all pilots represented by USAPA and employed by Plaintiff to resume
their normal working schedule and practices and providing Plaintiff a copy of all
such instructions;
b. Notifying all pilots represented by USAPA and employed by Plaintiff, by the
most expeditious means possible, of the issuance, contents, and meaning of this
Preliminary Injunction and providing Plaintiff a copy of all such notices;
c. Including in such notice a directive from USAPA to US Airways&rsquo;s pilots who are
engaging in a concerted refusal to perform normal pilot operations, including but
not limited to, slow taxiing, writing up all maintenance items, calling in fatigued,
delaying flights, refusing to answer a call from the scheduling, refusing to fly an
aircraft that meets the requirements for flight, or refusing to accept voluntary or...<snip>

...just remove the USAPA part and insert APA.

 

[Phoenix]

It will look something like this:


...just remove the USAPA part and insert APA.

APA pilots are not near as docile as USAPA pilots. Should AA get the same injunction they should not expect the same result.

 

[Phoenix]

What's ironic, Fluf, is that just about everyone I know outside of AA believes it was APA who over-reached by thinking they'd get a better deal than the failed TA. And that includes folks from the ALPA negotiating committees at UA and DL.

Folks from ALPA, the most management friendly union in America? Bwahahahahahaha!!

 

[Frank Szabo]

APA pilots are not near as docile as USAPA pilots. Should AA get the same injunction they should not expect the same result.

It's evident the seat pockets and reading lamps wouldn't be considered as a safety issue and never should have used as such but - a machine, being the nasty little bastich it is, really doesn't have a helluva lot of respect for a judge's ruling. Anyone intimately familiar with any machine can always find a legitimate gripe, especially if it's an aircraft. All that needs to be done done is additional documentation to cover the pilot's posterior when the inevitable questions are asked - perhaps a few photos from a cell phone would be in order in addition to the docs.

There aren't any gas stations at FL400. Some would do well to keep that in mind while complaining about the schedule.

Even though I've seen (in another galaxy, far, far away) bullet holes repaired by beer cans (the cans having first been emptied in the normal manner to prevent alcohol abuse) and pop rivets, commercial aviation isn't one of those imperatives where the aircraft has to fly at any cost.