Pilot job action?!

[Watdahail?]

How about this one:


At least my two very delayed flights between DFW-SAN last week gave me a laugh. The chuckle I gave when our irritated purser got on the intercom to let us know we were still waiting because "Our pilot still doesn't like his seat cushion, so we're still attending to it." was priceless.

 

[Mach85ER]

Watdahail,

You a FA?

99% have the common sense to keep the converstations in the crew van even if they disagree.

 

[bigjets]

Watdahail,

You a FA?

99% have the common sense to keep the converstations in the crew van even if they disagree.

Sounds like somebody who doesn't have to deal with irrate pax......it's easy when you have the door closed.

 

[Duke787]

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2012/09/robert-crandall-responds-to-a-pilot-about-the-american-airlines-situation.html/

Bob Crandall resonce to a letter from a pilot.

 

[nbmcg01]

If what Mr. Crandall wrote was fact the following would be addressed:

1. Should legacy employees have to pay for low cost (new) airline's ability to start employees at low wages? At some point they will reach higher wages too.

2. If this BK was "legitimate", should items not affecting the bottom line be allowed to be in the LBFO? There were way too many "gotchas" that potentially affected a positive vote.

3. Negotiating in good faith goes both ways. Saying "no" because you can is not "good faith". Honesty re: goals and bottom line is essential to a positive outcome.

4. Treat employees as adults. AA's hard fisted big brother method of mangt. isn't working. There should have been BOD positions for every union (at the very least) for the concessions given..

5. There should not be a Vice President-People. Seriously, is this AA's best attempt at warm and fuzzy? That is like calling a cop a community watch person.

6. There are good ways to save money, smart people with sound ideas. Productivity task force participation should be a start.

7. For God's sake, be smart enough not to give bonus payments when you have just raped decades of labor agreements.

 

[Mrs. McFly]

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2012/09/robert-crandall-responds-to-a-pilot-about-the-american-airlines-situation.html/

Bob Crandall resonce to a letter from a pilot.

 

[Mrs. McFly]

Just read this and really can't disagree with Crandall. At some point I guess we all need to realize it was a team effort that got us here and it will have to be a team effort to get us out.

 

[777 / 767 / 757 Love]

Amen!!!! I still would like to know who thinks Doug Parker is any better than AMR's current management team.

That list of idiots is long and distinguished.....the fleets don't match up, the service plans and cultures do not match up and US management with Parker has no track record of success with employees or anything else.

Many UA top tier FF who have come over as EXPs will go back to United, as I have talked to almost NO EXP who ever left for US and no one from UA who left for US.

After merger, back to BK within 24-48 months.

Cheers,
777 / 767 / 757

 

[FWAAA]

Management threatens to seek court order if pilots don't stop disrupting operation:

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2012/09/american-airlines-threatens-pilots-union-with-court-action-if-slowdown-continues.html/

 

[eolesen]

Of course they sent a letter... The union will respond they can't control their membership. This is all part of the game, right?...

Crandall's response is classic Bob. I'm not sure why the bonehead who wrote to him thought he'd take their side, but glad Bob had the guts to go public and support Horton. Someone had to.

 

[Barfbag]

Crandall like Casey before him Is " old school ", in his approach to solving AAs modern day problems. Yes, let's rally around Horton rah rah rah, but even if we did and AA immerged from BK intact, other carriers will be forced into another round of BK in short and so on, and so on.

Crandall quickly sized up airline deregulation and the merry-go-round BK court as a failure for HIS AA and its employees. He exited gracefully while still a industry champion.

The airline business died in 1978, and what we have now are just a bunch of Hacks running a once proud industry further into decay.

Good luck to all..

 

[777 / 767 / 757 Love]

Crandall like Casey before him Is " old school ", in his approach to solving AAs modern day problems. Yes, let's rally around Horton rah rah rah, but even if we did and AA immerged from BK intact, other carriers will be forced into another round of BK in short and so on, and so on.

Crandall quickly sized up airline deregulation and the merry-go-round BK court as a failure for HIS AA and its employees. He exited gracefully while still a industry champion.

The airline business died in 1978, and what we have now are just a bunch of Hacks running a once proud industry further into decay.

Good luck to all..

Its funny, if a member of management attempts to tell the pilots how to do their job better, the APA and its membership would be up in arms, but yet the APA and its members and pretty much all the other employees think that standard does not apply to them and that they can and should tell management how to do their jobs. LOVE the double standard.

Cheers,
777 / 767 / 757

 

[777 / 767 / 757 Love]

Of course they sent a letter... The union will respond they can't control their membership. This is all part of the game, right?...

Crandall's response is classic Bob. I'm not sure why the bonehead who wrote to him thought he'd take their side, but glad Bob had the guts to go public and support Horton. Someone had to.

+1

 

[Super FLUF]

Of course they sent a letter... The union will respond they can't control their membership. This is all part of the game, right?...

The sad part is, there never even should have been a "game". Someone was tasked with coming up with a reasonable deal that would have passed membership muster. That person failed. Instead, that person made a (typical) AArogant decision to over-reach, and just shred the entire contract. Now we are seeing the consequences. This person will probably be give a multi-million dollar retention bonus because, hey..."we need to retain our top talent". After all, the economy is doing really well, and all of the airlines are hiring. All of the airlines are especially out head hunting for managers that helped steer AA to years of multi-billion dollar losses. You just can't develop that type of talent on your own. You need to steal it from the best.

Regardless, I wonder what the company is thinking with this threat. And "threat" is exactly what it is. If the company had evidence or a case, they would have been in front of a judge long ago. What are they going to get a restraining order for anyways? Tell us not to write up broken items? I'm sure the threat will also go over well with the membership as well. It will be a huge morale booster and "motivator".

 

[AA89]

The "game" started a while back. Remember "Pull Together, Win Together"? That tolld employees that we are part of a team with management and that we would recover together after the concessions in 2003. So forgive the pilots, or any employee for feeling cheated by management. It was a lie from the get go.

The assertion that unions should leave managing the company totally up to management is silly. That's the reasons there are unions in the first place. Balance. Does it seem that the pilots are out of touch with reality? Not if you are trying to survive as an employee under the RLA and the bankruptcy laws. There has got to be a better way to negotiate than what we have now. A system that favors management and rewards executives for filing bankruptcy is the real crime here.