PICKET TIME IN PHL

[Fontainebleau]

It's a "Do it to them before they do it to you" world. I like Spin negotiate my own terms.

That really doesn't mean much in my mind. If you work for someone you are hired to be fired the only open question is where and when.

Keeping yourself marketable is the key.

Negotiate your own terms is quite funny. Really? YOUR own terms? Whose own terms? It is all quite car-salesman-like until they start to downsize, rightsize, consolisize and profitsize. Then who actually negotiates your terms right out the door? That is what a non-union will get you. I'll make a date for the picket.

 

[AP Tech]

I have several friends who have negotiated,in their own minds an employment contract with U. Bottom line, you must realize that you are always expendable and you will be OK!!!

Still, when the ax falls you are left out there on your own!!! Be Prepared.......

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

The pendulem? swings. As a union worker we have suffered of late. Hopefully the tide has turned(too many metaphors for one post maybe) If the company makes money then we will make money(in theory). We need to make sure that we are reimbursed for the sacrafices? we have made since 9/11. We are partially to blame for some of our problem. "Parity + 1" for "The Global Carrier of Choice" played a part in this "regional" airlines woes.

 

[delldude]

Uh.... I'm not a represented employee.

In all seriousness though, why would anyone want to waste their time annoying paying customers by standing around the entrance to the terminal and whining about their tragic pay and working conditions? The company will get around to negotiating with the represented workgroups in due time.

Neither am I anymore freind...but I still hold it deep in my heart working with and representing those who depend together on others to help them to a better situation...you know,am I my Brothers keeper?

 

[ussnark]

You are a prime example why unionism is on the wane in the USA. :down:

Actually, I think his (the one delldude is replying to) comment is ipso facto a definite indication of single digit IQ. Unfortunately, his herd-like mindless "opinion" afflicts at least 53 million Americans, assuming the voting machines weren't messed with, a voting majority in 2004.

 

[freedom]

best of luck with your picketing!

 

[700UW]

Well go check the popular vote from 2000 and you will see the man who won the popular vote did not win the election.

Time for the electoral college to go bye bye.

 

[delldude]

Well go check the popular vote from 2000 and you will see the man who won the popular vote did not win the election.

Time for the electoral college to go bye bye.

Founding fathers had enough foresight to see down the road that the little guy in Bugtussle,Ut would have adequate and equal vote/representation as the masses living in the denser higher populated areas.Hence the electoral college.
With a popular vote then only the urban area with the high populations would be needed to become elected leaving the rural areas w/o effective representation.

Here are the four elections when the candidate who led the popular vote did not win the office:

1824: John Quincy Adams received more than 38,000 fewer votes than Andrew Jackson, but neither candidate won a majority of the Electoral College. Adams was awarded the presidency when the election was thrown to the House of Representatives.

1876: Nearly unanimous support from small states gave Rutherford B. Hayes a one-vote margin in the Electoral College, despite the fact that he lost the popular vote to Samuel J. Tilden by 264,000 votes. Hayes carried five out of the six smallest states (excluding Delaware). These five states plus Colorado gave Hayes 22 electoral votes with only 109,000 popular votes. At the time, Colorado had been just been admitted to the Union and decided to appoint electors instead of holding elections. So, Hayes won Colorado's three electoral votes with zero popular votes. It was the only time in U.S. history that small state support has decided an election.

1888: Benjamin Harrison lost the popular vote by 95,713 votes to Grover Cleveland, but won the electoral vote by 65. In this instance, some say the Electoral College worked the way it is designed to work by preventing a candidate from winning an election based on support from one region of the country. The South overwhelmingly supported Cleveland, and he won by more than 425,000 votes in six southern states. However, in the rest of the country he lost by more than 300,000 votes.

2000: Al Gore had over half a million votes more than George W. Bush, with 50,992,335 votes to Bush's 50,455,156. But after recount controversy in Florida and a U.S. Supreme Court ruling, Bush was awarded the state by 537 popular votes. Like most states, Florida has a "winner takes all" rule. This means that the candidate who wins the state by popular vote also gets all of the state's electoral votes. Bush became president with 271 electoral votes.

Don't mess with the constitution

You ought to know that,you been to all those schools....

 

[Tim Nelson]

Well go check the popular vote from 2000 and you will see the man who won the popular vote did not win the election.

Time for the electoral college to go bye bye.

700, who cares about the popular vote? It's never been that way so why fan it just because some extremist on the environment didn't get the victory BASED ON THE LAW OF THE LAND? The constitutiion is in no need of a change on this point.

His own didn't want anything to do with him and because Tennessee voted for Bush, Gore was finally sent packing.

Anyways, going back to the initial part of this thread, I am always amazed how ALPA pickets by themselves. When labor ever can do the math and figure out that it would be much better if all unions picket together, only then will picketing have the greater effects.

regards,

 

[700AW]

Well go check the popular vote from 2000 and you will see the man who won the popular vote did not win the election.

Time for the electoral college to go bye bye.

so genious, who won the popular vote in 04......

Dell, we agree on something the lectoral college is needed to prevent 3 states from electing. who in bugtussle would ever get to see a candidate if we did not have it....

And lastly on the supreme court thingy that gets published wrong from 2000. the Supreme court can only make a decision as to the requirements of the constitution. I.E. if a candidate from the election in Fla. was not old enough, not born american etc... then they could have stepped in. the Constitution leaves it up to indiviual states to run the elections as long as the constitutional rquirements are met the Supreme court can not intercede so rightly theu did what they should have done, leave it up to Fla. and their courts to decide on recounts and what not.....

 

[700UW]

What is the lectoral college?

Did not see that in the Constitution.

Better go recheck.

And the Supreme Court stopped the recount, they did interfere with the election process, they did not rule on the Constitution.

 

[phasersonstun2]

I'm sure there are some mechanics who would not mind joining the line as a show of displeasure. I think the IAM is scared of demonstrating as it may cost them some $$$.

Would it be Ok to wear the "Chug A Lug for Doug" t shirts if they are out yet?

Better yet, find an actor who bears a striking resemblance to you-know-who and have him join in the picket line in jeans, dockers and a golf shirt.

 

[AP Tech]

And the Supreme Court stopped the recount, they did interfere with the election process,

Kind of sounds like the IAM Leadership dealing with the members vote......

 

[Tim Nelson]

Kind of sounds like the IAM Leadership dealing with the members vote......

True.
At any rate, someone as extreme as Gore on some issues is not what this country wants.

If he really wants to clean up the environment then "You first AL." Last I checked, Big Al still rides jets, cars, and all these other bad things that destroy our environment.

regards,

 

[Travelpro72]

Take this to the water cooler maybe?