NWA Pilot Strike?

[Kev3188]

What do you do with your contract these days? Is it sitting on your union altar at home alongside the picture of your Union BOD, where you worship every day while home and not being paid?

Good Lord.

Do they not have bingo or some other activity for you to enjoy over at the care home?

 

[flight planner jim]

You guys just don't understand it.

If NWA was such a hazard to the public these days, as you say, why haven't they been grounded?

Why hasn't the Government just stopped them from operating?

Hackman, you say "Democratic unions are needed more than ever." Is that so they can protect your job?

Call in Sen. Hillary to help you out. Or Sen Fat Ted, if he's not busy drowning his dates.

You talk about the corporate executives who were caught with their hands in the till. I'm glad they are being put behind bars and hope they stay there.

But, for every 1 of them there are many tens of thousands of others who wouldn't think of doing likewise and you'll never hear about them.

Hacker, I too was gainfully employed at the same airline that you have put in so many (20) years, except I put in more years and retired at 53. Bet you won't be doing that!

And 3188, I don't need a care home, I can take care of myself. You better learn to do the same if you are in the airline industry. See the paragraph above, I took care of myself and now enjoy life and have, or can buy, anything I want.

 

[E-TRONS]

You guys just don't understand it.

If NWA was such a hazard to the public these days, as you say, why haven't they been grounded?
Why hasn't the Government just stopped them from operating?

This is why:
Because the FAA operates on "Tombstone Legislation." They don't do anything until fatalities occur. Think I'm wrong? Go research the Valujet and Air Midwest crashes....both attributed to 3rd party vendors.

 

[flight planner jim]

OK Trons"

I get it.

Just because someone claims that they are a hazard doesn't MAKE IT SO. How novel!

I guess your claims don't mean jack!

And Valujet and AirMidwest was all because of somebody other than a union employee.

Must not have been a union employee had anything to do with UA at ORD a few years ago when the DC10 drove into the ground.

Or the TW flight into Long Island shortly after takeoff.

Why don't carriers just have a union guy give a holy water blessing to all planes before takeoff because the union guys are such "GODS"?

You guys are so good at pointing the finger at everybody else. Kind of what little kids do.

 

[local 12 proud]

You guys just don't understand it.

If NWA was such a hazard to the public these days, as you say, why haven't they been grounded?

Why hasn't the Government just stopped them from operating?

You mean that Tombstone Agency called the FAA, that only takes such drastic measures after the fact? ie... a smoking hole in the ground with body parts strewn over several acres!

No you don't get it Jim. that is part of the same Governement which you detest, Democrat or Republican it does'nt matter its a brotherhood of elites looking out for their own. As Piney well stated...there are no friends of the middle class in washington.

...and yor last statement sounds like someone gloating about how well they have it! the typical "I Got Mine" attitude. well old man, start enjoying it then cause the Grim reaper will pay you a visit oneday and he does'nt care how much money you have!

 

[flight planner jim]

Gee 12:

I guess you must be a mind reader to determine that I detest the Government.

Sorry to tell you that your mind must have a problem. I have no trouble with our Government as long as it is doing its job, taking care of us.

And it is now that the liberals are being kept in their places and the President is being able to fight terrorism in their place.

I know the reaper is going to get me but it sounds like you think that you are exempt.

And I got mine because I took the right steps on my own to assure that. I didn't sit around and wait for somebody to do it for me. And I'm damn proud of it.

 

[local 12 proud]

Well GEEEZ Jim, these were your words not mine and sounds like you detest some who hold power in Government.

don't you really mean you have no trouble with our government as long as it fits your agenda? Not all Americans agree with the actions of Our current President, but I do respect the office so Ill refrain from calling him what he really is!

No Jim I Don't think Im exempt, I know Death all to well!

Great Jim you were fortunate enough to secure your future before the rug was jerked out from under you, But rest assured many others have said the same thing as you only to lose it all. I would think with your Years would come some humility, but I guess a Spade is a Spade huh Jim?

 

[flight planner jim]

Local 12:

Yes, I do detest some of those in power. Namely those I mentioned.

And no, I do not have an agenda regarding Government but I wish we had a much smaller Government.

I'm very glad that Pres. Bush has us fighting terrorism on their home turf instead of ours. They did that once and I hope it's the very last.

Pres. Bush is doing a good job. Not as good as Pres. Reagan but he would be tough to beat.

I secured my future so that I could quit working as early as possible. The rug was not jerked out from under me. I had my boss sign my retirement papers in July and continued to work until my final day of Dec. 31. It was all on MY terms.

I have humility but I'm also very proud of my accomplishments. Why shouldn't I be?

And I enjoy every day of life. Especially when you don't have to work.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

OK Trons"

I get it.

Just because someone claims that they are a hazard doesn't MAKE IT SO. How novel!

I guess your claims don't mean jack!

And Valujet and AirMidwest was all because of somebody other than a union employee.

Must not have been a union employee had anything to do with UA at ORD a few years ago when the DC10 drove into the ground.

Or the TW flight into Long Island shortly after takeoff.

Why don't carriers just have a union guy give a holy water blessing to all planes before takeoff because the union guys are such "GODS"?

You guys are so good at pointing the finger at everybody else. Kind of what little kids do.

How lost are you???

E-Trons was pointing out that it took those accidents for the FAA to put into regulations things that with a little foresight should've come around a whole lot sooner.

An adage I learned along time ago that is(unfortunately)one of the truest....

" FARs are written in blood "

BTW UAL never crashed a DC-10 at ORD get your facts straight.

BTW PartII, Just how do you get union maintenance screw up out of TWA 800???

 

[local 12 proud]

Local 12:

Yes, I do detest some of those in power. Namely those I mentioned.

And no, I do not have an agenda regarding Government but I wish we had a much smaller Government.

I'm very glad that Pres. Bush has us fighting terrorism on their home turf instead of ours. They did that once and I hope it's the very last.

Pres. Bush is doing a good job. Not as good as Pres. Reagan but he would be tough to beat.

I secured my future so that I could quit working as early as possible. The rug was not jerked out from under me. I had my boss sign my retirement papers in July and continued to work until my final day of Dec. 31. It was all on MY terms.

I have humility but I'm also very proud of my accomplishments. Why shouldn't I be?

And I enjoy every day of life. Especially when you don't have to work.

Jim I also detest some of those in power, In fact I can think of none who pays nothing but lip service. as long as the money is filling the coffers, Washington will continue to spew the same sewage. Its a "I'll scratch your back and you scratch mine" Con Job and we the lowly peasants are and will continue to pay the price.

Wheter you think so or not 9/11 did'nt occur because as Pat Robertson likes to say "America Is Being Judged" or as our current leader Bush Jr. has stated "They Hate Freedom, They Hate our way life" No Jim it goes much deeper than than that, those are just convenient excuses to Deflect the real reasons.

Im glad you were able to settle on your own terms and get out unscathed, Many Hard working Americans have been robbed of that Luxory!

 

[E-TRONS]

FLIGHT PLANNER JIM,

You "Bush-Davidian!!" Reagan was the one who busted the PATCO Union and started the assault on American Blue Collars :angry: If you had any sense you would understand what is happening to the middle class in this country...but thats another rant.

I guess all those SCABS at NWA are Union members in good standing <_< ??? More like modern day pirates stealing the livelihoods of unionized labor. They are nothing more than self centered LOSERS!!

Rather than spouting off like a dunce, why don't you go back and re-read my posting about the FAA, since you know nothing about the real world of aviation :huh:

 

[Borescope]

FLIGHT PLANNER JIM,

You "Bush-Davidian!!" Reagan was the one who busted the PATCO Union

E-Trons, By your name it appears you are from the future or at a wannabe. You need to go back and read the PATCO contract. These guys were government workers and had a no strike clause in their "contract". By choosing to walk off the job, they were basically quitting. Regan had a job to protect the air traffic system and he did by hiring people who WANTED to work.

 

[robbedagain]

The DC-10 crash in ORD was American. The UAL one was in Souix City Iowa. But Etons is right that it took the deaths of 110 on ValuJet and 21 more on Air Midwest before the FAA took any kind of action. But they still arent doing a lot of safety that could be done. I think the NTSB has a whole lot on a list that the FAA refuses to even do to fix the problems in the aviation. NWA is an accident waiting to happen with those useless scum bum scum bag scabs working on the planes

 

[PlayTheOdds]

There were FAA rules and regulations in place that would have prevented the ValueJet crash. They simply were not followed. I do believe that fire detection and suppression equipment is necessary in aircraft but the ValueJet crash was an ignorant excuse to mandate such equipment. Fire detection and suppression equipment would have done nothing to prevent that crash.

 

[Garfield1966]

Actually it's more like 14%, despite one of the most anti- labor governments in the world. Slighting and insulting people will get you nowhere. It's probably why you are very, very, very junior mgmt. after 20 years.

Nope, it's a choice. I enjoy what I do and I prefer to stay in operational possitions. It allows me far more flexability with my schedule thana 9-5 type desk job. I have never had an interest in joining upper managment. A 3 or maybe a 4 would be as high as I am willing to go but I have not seen anything that has peaked my interest.

Actually according to this link it is 12.5% Quite a bit higher than I thought but still a very small percentage.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060121/ap_on_...nion_membership

I wonder why that is?