NWA Gate Agents

[jenny@nw]

Fear not, Jenny. There's plenty of other informative posters/topics here. You just gotta look past PTO's inane ramblings.....

oh Kev, it just started to become some repititious horsesh!t.
:closedeyes: *yawn*

 

[CSAR GYRENE]

Now that one had to hurt! Poor scabby PTO isn't being treated fairly by the gate agents. Boo Hoo Hoo! Waah Waah! Well PTO what did you expect? You're a scum sucking weasel of a scab. Thanks to scabs like you, PTO, soon nobody in this industry will have flight benefits.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but from what I heard, most of the restrictions in non reving have come about because of abuses in the past, not because of anyones particular stance on organised labor.

Why don't you just clobber them with your "9th ward Houstonian" racist remarks? Seem's you can't get along with anyone but Management and other SCABS!

BUMPED FROM THE RED TAIL, THEN TAKE THE RAIL.....SCAB

Time to spare, go by air!

Professional Manner? A f-ing scab would not know the definition of professional. If you were a professional you would not be a weasel sucking beaver face of a scab.

Weasil sucking??????? :blink:

HOLY CRAP! A SCABANIC that thinks HE's ABOVE GARY WILSON!

Even GARY WILSON was denied boarding by a gate agent so what makes you so special?

Loved the fact that Gary himself had a tissy fit at the gate stating the classic line "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM"!?

She said "No and I don't care"

Who the hell is Gary Wilson? :unsure:

 

[jenny@nw]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but from what I heard, most of the restrictions in non reving have come about because of abuses in the past, not because of anyones particular stance on organised labor.
Time to spare, go by air!
Weasil sucking??????? :blink:
Who the hell is Gary Wilson? :unsure:

a Hippie

 

[777 fixer]

It appears that NWA Gate Agents like to play their own little games with Scab Non-revvers. To hell with the seniority list eh? Here is a quote from a gate agent manager at MSP working Gate G-10 today. "You will sit there until, if or when, we call you. You have a seniority date of 05 and we all know what that means, so you had better sit here and be seen and not heard or you will not get on this flight or any other flight today." Non-rev boarding continued but it sure wasn't done by seniority. I took a survey at the zone and found that a very high percentage of the Scabs that non-rev on a regular basis have had very similar issues.

Well ladies and gentlemen we have been introduced to this little program called PARS, to hell with RADAR. This program gives us the exact same information you have. We are particularly interested in the fact that we can now pull flight manifest. We are setting up our own little network so that a simple phone call will instantly get all information pulled and gathered to send to the appropriate channels. If you think you are going to continue getting away with these little vendettas you are wrong. I suggest you people do your jobs and leave your personnel issues at home.

Personally I think they should throw the seniority part out and make it first come first serve. When it is time for non-rev boarding you just simply call off the names in order of the waitlist, just a suggestion.

Several points I want to make, one of which I have already made.

It seems to me that making a big deal about non-reving is sort of like arguing over deck chairs on the Titanic. PTO, NWA is bankrupt and you're worried about treatment of non-revs? You need to get your priorities in order.

Second point. Since the "replacement mechanics" were hired in late 2005 and NWA did not hire replacemnt FA's, pilots, rampers, CSA's etc would it not be logical to assume that the people at the bottom of the non-rev list are "replacement mechanics"? Therfore it's more than likely that the last people to be called will be the "replacment mechanics".

 

[groundcontrol]

Who the hell is Gary Wilson? :unsure:

Guess that answers your questions....
HE'S A SCAB

 

[PlayTheOdds]

It seems to me that making a big deal about non-reving is sort of like arguing over deck chairs on the Titanic. PTO, NWA is bankrupt and you're worried about treatment of non-revs? You need to get your priorities in order.

Why do you act as if bankruptcy is a big deal? Isn't it damn near a prerequisite of being a legacy carrier these days? Looks as if its a SOP for legacy carriers. Besides what would me worrying about NWA being in bankruptcy accomplish?

Second point. Since the "replacement mechanics" were hired in late 2005 and NWA did not hire replacemnt FA's, pilots, rampers, CSA's etc would it not be logical to assume that the people at the bottom of the non-rev list are "replacement mechanics"? Therfore it's more than likely that the last people to be called will be the "replacment mechanics".

Very poor point, because there is a waitlist with every one listed by seniority. You can see exactly when you should be boarded. Now when you take this waitlist and compare it to the flight manifest they should pretty much match. Or if there are only two seats available and they are given to Hackman and The Princess who are who are next in line under you then there is a problem. Just think of me as Ken, you have the whole aviation maintenance craft going to shet, according to you guys and he is worried about AMT Recognition Day. So cut me some slack 777.

Some one said that these issues with Non-revving have been going on for years, why hasn’t anything ever been done about it?

 

[777 fixer]

Why do you act as if bankruptcy is a big deal? Isn't it damn near a prerequisite of being a legacy carrier these days? Looks as if its a SOP for legacy carriers. Besides what would me worrying about NWA being in bankruptcy accomplish?
Very poor point, because there is a waitlist with every one listed by seniority. You can see exactly when you should be boarded. Now when you take this waitlist and compare it to the flight manifest they should pretty much match. Or if there are only two seats available and they are given to Hackman and The Princess who are who are next in line under you then there is a problem. Just think of me as Ken, you have the whole aviation maintenance craft going to shet, according to you guys and he is worried about AMT Recognition Day. So cut me some slack 777.

Some one said that these issues with Non-revving have been going on for years, why hasn’t anything ever been done about it?

BK is not a big deal? Why don't you tell that to the folks who used to work for TWA, Pan Am, Eastern, Braniff, etc. Your not very familiar with the history of airlines and BK are you? If you were then you would realize that chpater 11 in a lot of cases is something that happens before liquidation.

The airline industry is a highly leveraged business to be in. In other words credit is very important. When an airline declares BK it has a tendancy of messing it up. Take TWA as a case in point. One of the things that made it hard for TWA was the fact that their poor credit meant that they had to pay more in order borrow money. Higher lease rates on equipment and the like.

Actually the points I made are very logical. Since you hired in late 2005 you are going to be near the bottom of the senority list. Which means that most other employees at NWA are going to be ahead of you on the non-rev list. So I guess the question is who exactly is being given seats ahead of you on the non-rev list? Did you ever think that some of these people being called ahead of you might be revenue standbuys?

Do you have any actual evidence of someone with lower senority being called ahead of a "replacement mechanic"? Or is this whole thing just another attempt to get people riled up?

 

[PlayTheOdds]

The airline industry is a highly leveraged business to be in. In other words credit is very important. When an airline declares BK it has a tendancy of messing it up. Take TWA as a case in point. One of the things that made it hard for TWA was the fact that their poor credit meant that they had to pay more in order borrow money. Higher lease rates on equipment and the like.

In most cases you are correct, however for Airbus and Pratt to so willingly release NWA of its current leases and grant them new aircraft and engines with a much better deal than the one they had before says a lot for NWA's restructuring plan. I will be willing to bet other companies are following suit. With Michigan’s unemployment rate at 6.6% and predicted to break the 7.2% Hi, I am certain there are companies here struggling for anyone’s business including NWA.

Actually the points I made are very logical. Since you hired in late 2005 you are going to be near the bottom of the senority list. Which means that most other employees at NWA are going to be ahead of you on the non-rev list. So I guess the question is who exactly is being given seats ahead of you on the non-rev list? Did you ever think that some of these people being called ahead of you might be revenue standbuys?

Have you ever flown stanby? Hey Kev since 777 is so doubtful of me why don't you explain to him all the information provided on a waitlist? I don't think he has ever seen one before. I would think that all airlines would be close to being the same but I guess not.

Do you have any actual evidence of someone with lower senority being called ahead of a "replacement mechanic"? Or is this whole thing just another attempt to get people riled up?

I know that it happened because I saw it. Now that I know a bit about PARS and the information that I did not know was obtainable by me, I will gather the evidence you so desire in a matter of time.

 

[777 fixer]

In most cases you are correct, however for Airbus and Pratt to so willingly release NWA of its current leases and grant them new aircraft and engines with a much better deal than the one they had before says a lot for NWA's restructuring plan. I will be willing to bet other companies are following suit. With Michigan’s unemployment rate at 6.6% and predicted to break the 7.2% Hi, I am certain there are companies here struggling for anyone’s business including NWA.
Have you ever flown stanby? Hey Kev since 777 is so doubtful of me why don't you explain to him all the information provided on a waitlist? I don't think he has ever seen one before. I would think that all airlines would be close to being the same but I guess not.
I know that it happened because I saw it. Now that I know a bit about PARS and the information that I did not know was obtainable by me, I will gather the evidence you so desire in a matter of time.

You have yet to state who exactly these people are being called ahaead of you? Are they other NWA employees, this seems doubtfull since other work groups are going to have higher senority. Are they dependants of other NWA employees? Are they employees of other airlines flying ID90 or Zed? It's a rather simple question. Oh and buy the way I was looking at wait lists and flying stanby when you were still working contract maintenance.

In regards to your first paragraph you forget to mention financial institutions like AMEX and Citibank. There the ones who are going to make you pay more to borrow money. Those are important ones, not companies in Michigan.

So according to your logic ailrines like TWA should have been lean mean fighting machines after emerging from bk. There creditors gave them breaks as well. Or look at US Air. Creditors gave them breaks, just like creidtors have given NWA breaks. Yet they ended up declaring BK for second time. You make it sound like NWA is the first airline ever to get slack from their cridtors in BK.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

You have yet to state who exactly these people are being called ahaead of you?

I don't know who they are. I know that they are flying the same class as me with a lesser seniority date. I'll print a waitlist tomorrow but for now I think they carry the employee’s class and seniority. So it is hard to say whether they are employees or family members. Revenue Standbys of course get boarded first. The list is pretty damn idiot proof 777, why are you having such issues with this?

In regards to your first paragraph you forget to mention financial institutions like AMEX and Citibank. There the ones who are going to make you pay more to borrow money. Those are important ones, not companies in Michigan.

Now here you have a valid point. I can't say which way this will go nor can you. As much money as NWA is saving now during BK you would think that they would be stockpiling it.

So according to your logic ailrines like TWA should have been lean mean fighting machines after emerging from bk. There creditors gave them breaks as well. Or look at US Air. Creditors gave them breaks, just like creidtors have given NWA breaks. Yet they ended up declaring BK for second time. You make it sound like NWA is the first airline ever to get slack from their cridtors in BK.

That is kind of the point isn't it. It is apparent that they did not trim enough fat and come out lean enough. Lets hope that NWA has studied these examples and are prepared to side step the same pitfalls. I must apologize for my ignorance of NWA's financial status, I can report only what I see and that is 87 to 103% full aircraft pouring out of my zone. That’s not even considering the freighters. I am certain that NWA is banking some money somewhere.

 

[robbedagain]

Airlines and CH11 normally dont get a long. It was only a matter of time between the time USAIR exited its first CH11 before they went right back in. United was in it for the longest in US Aviation history. Creditors will almost always give airlines or other companies breaks. The only way US Air survived its 2nd CH11 was the fact that America West brought us out. Yeah NWA is baking money just to pocket it for them selves at the top

 

[777 fixer]

"I don't know who they are. I know that they are flying the same class as me with a lesser seniority date. I'll print a waitlist tomorrow but for now I think they carry the employee’s class and seniority. So it is hard to say whether they are employees or family members. Revenue Standbys of course get boarded first. The list is pretty damn idiot proof 777, why are you having such issues with this?"

Since your the one who brought up this whole subject up it would seem that you're having "issues", not me. The question still stands, since the lowest senority people at NWA are going to be "replacement mechanics" who exactly would be called ahead of you? Do you have any guesses as to who they are?

It's funny that you snidely asked me if I have ever flown non-rev or seen a wait list yet you make the comment "I think they carry the employee's class and senority". When someone says "I think" that usually means "I don't know". It's seems rather obvious to me that you really need to learn more about NWA's non rev system. For example are the dependants of higher senority employees going to be ahead of you on the non rev list. Or will you be ahead of them since they are employee. If they are traveling with the sponsering employee will you still be ahead or will they be since there traveling with the employee. You might want to find these things out.

"That is kind of the point isn't it. It is apparent that they did not trim enough fat and come out lean enough. Lets hope that NWA has studied these examples and are prepared to side step the same pitfalls. I must apologize for my ignorance of NWA's financial status, I can report only what I see and that is 87 to 103% full aircraft pouring out of my zone. That’s not even considering the freighters. I am certain that NWA is banking some money somewhere."

You might want to brush up on your airline history a bit. TWA ran a very "lean" operation prior to their third BK filing and subsequent "merger" with AA. They had no choice. They cut back on their maintenance operations, one of AA's hangers at ORD used to be a TWA hanger. They had the lowest pay rates in the industry for all work groups. They were doing single engine taxi long before it came in vougue. However this could not change the fact that they had bad credit which meant they had to pay more to borrow money. It also meant they could not hedge fuel costs. It also did'nt help that bad decisons made in the front office hurt them as well. Along with the money spent on BK attorneys for the previous two fillings.

You mentioned that you see the planes between 87%-103% full. That's irrelevant if those seats were sold at a loss.

 

[finman]

You mentioned that you see the planes between 87%-103% full. That's irrelevant if those seats were sold at a loss.[/color]

Seats aren't sold at a gain or loss per se. A flight will operate either at a gain or a loss, driven by yield (revenue per passenger) and load factor (number of passengers). You've probably heard in the past that the break-even load factor is xx% at the current yields. I think prior to BK the NWA domestic break-even load factor was something like 90-95%(or maybe higher), which is unattainable at a system level.

 

[Red Tail Bear]

PTO,
How did our gate agents treat you on your latest trip down to redneckville? Do you think you'll get that last seat in the back of the DC-9 next to that noisy engine again.

If all goes well, you probably will. Enjoy your flight.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

PTO,
How did our gate agents treat you on your latest trip down to redneckville? Do you think you'll get that last seat in the back of the DC-9 next to that noisy engine again.

Wonderful, I do appreciate your concern. I have never had a single problem with any of Mesaba's gate agents which I have been flying my past few trips. Even when things are hectic and not going quiet right at the gate they perform in a most impressive professional manner.