Yeah Neil did a great job here at U put us right into BK twice, the only way they could stay afloat was thru the BK process it sure wasn't for there great business plan or leadership, the courts had to do it for them and in the end they still couldn't do it had to turn it over to HP so I wouldn't toot my horn to much there buzzard, I mean hawk or should I say chickenhawk
Nw Strikes
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BoeingBoy
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Hawk said:
One can often gain insight into a person by who they respect - it can speak volumes about a person's character.....
Hawk said:
It is claimed that the issue is competing with the LCCs - by some. That's the same logic that would be used to argue that Saks, Neiman-Marcus, Tiffanies, etc should be out of business since they can't "compete" on costs with the mass merchandisers.
The real issue is having revenues exceed expenses. There are two ways to do that for a network carrier. One is to transition to an LCC model - single fleet type, non-hub, non-interline, all coach carrier - to keep costs as low as possible. Even America West, Airtran, and others tried that. In fact, just the opposite - airline history is littered with examples of carriers that tried expanding the LCC model and failed.
The other is to run an efficient (as opposed to cheap) network operation to get expenses as low as possible (but higher than a "pure" LCC) and increase unit revenue over what an LCC produces by product differentation. This is what sets America West, Airtran, and others apart - their unit costs are higher than the "pure" LCCs but lower than the traditional network carriers, but their unit revenues are higher also.
Hawk said:NWA union leaders should learn a lesson from the Airways' unions. BK isn't properous for unions. Once a company enters BK, there are a new set of rules.Right Pitbull?
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And that lesson would be what? Beat the employees down while retaining the inefficiencies of a large network carrier? That approach worked so well for US - about $2.5 billion a year in employee cuts through 2 bankruptcies and still unable to make it - that it should be a text-book example of what not to do.
Depending on proclamations of "We're all in this together" while ensuring your golden parachutes are packed has proven to be such a success......
Jim
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To come on here and boast of how great a person Mr C is--- well:
It's a good thing you are sitting behind a screen in a dark room like a frightened little child does in the night, it’s your MO. You are the epitome of a twisted corporate America gone wrong who copulates the American worker while bragging about it.
I now work for company that your kind are simply not allowed to belong to because like a rotten apple you are a real poison that needs cut out and disposed of before you infest and kill everything that matters, real peoples livelihoods. I hope you and Mr. C hold hands in eternity in that dark place set aside for your kind.
It's a good thing you are sitting behind a screen in a dark room like a frightened little child does in the night, it’s your MO. You are the epitome of a twisted corporate America gone wrong who copulates the American worker while bragging about it.
I now work for company that your kind are simply not allowed to belong to because like a rotten apple you are a real poison that needs cut out and disposed of before you infest and kill everything that matters, real peoples livelihoods. I hope you and Mr. C hold hands in eternity in that dark place set aside for your kind.
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luvn737s
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Compete with LCC's eh? How many flights a day does Airtran have out of Detroit? How about WN ot of MSP? B6 out of MEM? NW defines fortress hub in all three cities plus it has NO LCC competition on it's Trans Pacific flying which makes up a substantial portion of it's business.Hawk said:Neil is very good at his job. He has my utmost respect. My bet is on NWA.
Pitbull, "hammer labor" is so harsh. NWA will do what is needed to ensure that the company has the necessary costs to become profitable. The issue is competing with the LCCs.
NWA union leaders should learn a lesson from the Airways' unions. BK isn't properous for unions. Once a company enters BK, there are a new set of rules.
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No, Steelend was asleep during the deep concessions following 9/11. Now the economy is robust, much to his dismay and time has run out on this crisis. Since virtually every airline is facing the same or pending high fuel costs, they are a non-issue from a competitive standpoint. There is no reason now for any airline employee to believe that their concessions will save a bad business model.
NWA chose to enter into the obligations they did and manage their finances in a way that did not allow for rising costs, so they haven't earned a tear of sympathy.
The NWA pilots are all-too willing to give some more because they have adopted the half a loaf is better than none philosophy (which implies that you really didn't deserve the whole loaf to begin with). They have become so separated from the sacrifice that produced the wages they enjoyed that deep down they really don't think they are worth what they are paid. The next time they are on a picket line, all they can legitimately print on their pickets is, "NWA Not Generous Enough to Pilots"
I can just hear the chants: "What Do We Want? Whatever You Can Spare Without Jepoardizing the Return to Shareholders" When Do We Want It? When the Economy Rebouds and the Market Becomes Less Competitive"
ClueByFour
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Hawk said:NWA union leaders should learn a lesson from the Airways' unions. BK isn't properous for unions. Once a company enters BK, there are a new set of rules.
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Yeah, even a trained monkey can get labor costs down in BK. Unfortunately, you and yours managed to screw it up the first time, so had to go back again.
I just passed an Airways pilot. I'm checking on the status of his wife even as I type...
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luvn737s said:
I have another reason for not having any sympathy for NW management and the way they ran their company. For the past several years NW has been basically vetoing any fare increases by their refusal to go along with them. They perceived a competitive advantage by keeping fares lower and trying to weaken competition. Well, now they have weakened themselves and can blame themselves.
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luvn737s
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If you don't think that is exactly what the US airline industry is, then you've got alot of education ahead of you. And the tuition is paid in ruined careers.JS said:
robbedagain said:
Hmm....... I think NW management has the
upper hand here. If the AMFA workers insist
on striking, then I say let them because it
will in effect create the workforce reductions
that NW is seeking. As of now, that reduction
is 100%, which is better than the 53% they
asked for in the contract proposal.
Also, now that they are on strike, NW can
continue with replacement workers. If they
planned correctly for the contingency, NW
management will prevail and will show that
the AMFA mechanics are no longer needed.
Then they can file for BK and have the judge
fire them all.
