Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion
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luvthe9
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This is an open letter to DCA Rep Pete Dugstad.
Doug, you've read the end of the year letter that Gary Hummel wrote to the pilots. Are you going to allow him to give you credit for the idea that demanded retroactive pay as a price for the unanimous vote for the MOU by the BPR?
I don't believe you would do that. I don't believe you would let Hummel lie about something so important and give you credit that was due others for something so important.
Pete, I believe, as much as you may support Gary that you will not allow him to include you in that lie. You and I don't agree many times on issues, but I do believe you have the integrity that won't allow this lie to go unanswered.
I expect and I am sure the pilots expect to hear from you on who should be given credit. Dewitt Ingram, Steve Crimi, Bill McKee, Spike, Mike Gillies.
Please set the record straight. I will give you a few days to come out with a letter to the pilots. If I don't see that letter, I will be forced to give full credit to the people that did get us that pay by releasing information that is not widely known about that meeting. Who really proposed the idea, who organized the effort to get enough BPR members to agree, what was said to the UCC (Unsecured Creditors Committee) Attorney Jack Butler and who did not support those efforts.
Pete, as distasteful as it might be to refute what Hummel told us, it is a lie and I know you would never be a part of that lie.
Bill Glynn
Doug, you've read the end of the year letter that Gary Hummel wrote to the pilots. Are you going to allow him to give you credit for the idea that demanded retroactive pay as a price for the unanimous vote for the MOU by the BPR?
I don't believe you would do that. I don't believe you would let Hummel lie about something so important and give you credit that was due others for something so important.
Pete, I believe, as much as you may support Gary that you will not allow him to include you in that lie. You and I don't agree many times on issues, but I do believe you have the integrity that won't allow this lie to go unanswered.
I expect and I am sure the pilots expect to hear from you on who should be given credit. Dewitt Ingram, Steve Crimi, Bill McKee, Spike, Mike Gillies.
Please set the record straight. I will give you a few days to come out with a letter to the pilots. If I don't see that letter, I will be forced to give full credit to the people that did get us that pay by releasing information that is not widely known about that meeting. Who really proposed the idea, who organized the effort to get enough BPR members to agree, what was said to the UCC (Unsecured Creditors Committee) Attorney Jack Butler and who did not support those efforts.
Pete, as distasteful as it might be to refute what Hummel told us, it is a lie and I know you would never be a part of that lie.
Bill Glynn
traderjake
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Fighting to get credit for something they didn't want because it wasn't good enough. 
electricjet98
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Is Bill Glynn still pounding his chest and declaring "Victory"?
electricjet98
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Those pre-merger west F/O's brought jobs to the merger...something that a third of the entire east group was lacking.
nevergiveup
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Oh, you some mean someone that was fortunate enough to be employed. Nobody brings a job with them! Get real, your just professional labor!electricjet98 said:
Portly Dorman
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You boys best be doing some digging- Hummer created and ad hoc committtee to pay Mark King and Dewitt Ingram to save his bacon.
The Hummel Bumble Tumble team one up'd the Kleary Klown Club.
The Hummel Bumble Tumble team one up'd the Kleary Klown Club.
Keep posting awa was a financial jewel, I will provide more hard evidence of the contrary. Judge Silver's order was for USAPA, get over it.electricjet98 said:
As Mr. Parker explained
"[W]e (awa) were looking at cash balances at the end of this year that would have us,
absolutely, needing to either raise a lot of financing between when we closed the
merger in year-end - you know, sometime in the fourth quarter - or, we would’ve
filed bankruptcy. And that was- that, I mean, in our board room that was the plan.
It was the merger or file. There really wasn’t anything in between, because we
didn’t have enough cash."
http://cactuspilot.org/USAir_PostHearingBrief.pdf
Freighterguynow
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9 years and a new merger later - still grasping at straws!electricjet98 said:
luvthe9
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I must have missed it. But I haven't seen the letter of outrage that Gary Hummel sent to Parker and Kirby concerning their invitation to Leonidas to form there own Merger Committee and then attend the first meeting of the "New American" between the Company, the APA and USAPA.
Where is the letter that asks about the promise of a "New Corporate Culture?" Where is the official outrage at their complete disregard of the MOU and the law? Where does he tell Parker and Kirby that we will not stand for the continuation of their efforts to drive a wedge in the pilot unity and if necessary, we will seek a legal remedy? The law is very clear on this and so is the MOU (at least as clear as this MOU gets).
Where is letter to the APA outlining USAPA's unhappiness with them accepting the company's tactics? There should have been a letter between the President of the APA and Hummel. Where is the letter that explains to the APA what this management is doing, why and how this could affect our unity going forward? Explain to them that this is just the first shot at dividing us all and if the APA allows this to happen, the combined union will be a very weak one.
Where is the request that the APA not attend this sham meeting and a promise that we would never attend a meeting where the company unilaterally changes the rules.
I haven't seen anything from Hummel. No expression of outrage. No line drawn in the sand regarding our seniority. No promise that USAPA will not be a party to this behavior. Where does Gary Hummel stand on this issue? Will he stand up for the pilots here or just work to get an agreement? Since he is the head of USAPA, a very public letter outlining our views should have been forthcoming the day after the invitations were sent.
Thank God we have a merger committee and a BPR that refused to play Parker and Kirby's game. But a letter from our President expressing how serious we take this should have followed .
One thing we do know about Gary is that he will fight to the death (literally) to keep his job, but when it comes to yours, well let's not rock the boat cause we all just need to get along!
Bill Glynn
PS: Anyone fooled by the campaign letter he put out today? Oh yeah, it was his New Years letter wishing us all well and invent how much he and his supporters have done for us.
Bill Glynn
Where is the letter that asks about the promise of a "New Corporate Culture?" Where is the official outrage at their complete disregard of the MOU and the law? Where does he tell Parker and Kirby that we will not stand for the continuation of their efforts to drive a wedge in the pilot unity and if necessary, we will seek a legal remedy? The law is very clear on this and so is the MOU (at least as clear as this MOU gets).
Where is letter to the APA outlining USAPA's unhappiness with them accepting the company's tactics? There should have been a letter between the President of the APA and Hummel. Where is the letter that explains to the APA what this management is doing, why and how this could affect our unity going forward? Explain to them that this is just the first shot at dividing us all and if the APA allows this to happen, the combined union will be a very weak one.
Where is the request that the APA not attend this sham meeting and a promise that we would never attend a meeting where the company unilaterally changes the rules.
I haven't seen anything from Hummel. No expression of outrage. No line drawn in the sand regarding our seniority. No promise that USAPA will not be a party to this behavior. Where does Gary Hummel stand on this issue? Will he stand up for the pilots here or just work to get an agreement? Since he is the head of USAPA, a very public letter outlining our views should have been forthcoming the day after the invitations were sent.
Thank God we have a merger committee and a BPR that refused to play Parker and Kirby's game. But a letter from our President expressing how serious we take this should have followed .
One thing we do know about Gary is that he will fight to the death (literally) to keep his job, but when it comes to yours, well let's not rock the boat cause we all just need to get along!
Bill Glynn
PS: Anyone fooled by the campaign letter he put out today? Oh yeah, it was his New Years letter wishing us all well and invent how much he and his supporters have done for us.
Bill Glynn
What merger? They don't bring squat to the US-AA merger. Fair is fair, right? You guys want to look at a certain point in time, right? Be careful what you wish for AH. You are talking about something 8 years in the past, just like it was back in 2005.electricjet98 said:
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