Non Rev policies after merger?

[bunt3dunk]

Hire date pure and simple and do away with the SA1 , that was a west thing to take care of their junior employees .

 

[silverbird007]

FCFS has advantages. When you check in 24 hours before, you usually know if your getting on or not at that point.(especially if your using a D1) if its pretty obvious that your not getting on you have plenty of time to make other arrangements. To me, knowing 24 hours in advance takes a lot of stress out of the trip. Of course if you've got 50 years seniority then of course DOH is probably wonderful! LOL

 

[nycbusdriver]

FCFS has advantages. When you check in 24 hours before, you usually know if your getting on or not at that point.(especially if your using a D1) if its pretty obvious that your not getting on you have plenty of time to make other arrangements. To me, knowing 24 hours in advance takes a lot of stress out of the trip. Of course if you've got 50 years seniority then of course DOH is probably wonderful! LOL

 
It's really odd that AA uses FCFS for cabin pass riders and the AA pilots use DOH for the cockpit jumpseat,
 
yet US uses DOH for cabin pass riders and the US pilots are FCFS for reserving the cockpit jumpseat.
 
The only unfair part of FCFS for the cabin is that we flight crews may be in the air and therefore incommunicado for hours while that 24-hour open period starts and fills the available seats.

 

[john john]

If every non-rev listed checks-in 24 hr before departure who gets on the list first ?

 

[1AA]

When you are hired you are given a seniority date. It has to stand for something, otherwise they wouldn't have given you one. You put in your time, & pay your dues, & you receive perks because of that. The one perk that they haven't taken away is flight benefits. Boarding by DOH works well for those that have put in their time, retirees included. Junior employees, your time will come once you gain some seniority. Until then take your chances like we all have had to do in our non-rev endeavors. 
 
There is really no recourse with fcfs. If you check in first, and then a manager or a vp checks in after you do, & they bump you & get on the plane ahead of you how can you prove that you were there first? If you go by DOH there is a paper trail that would be hard to dispute. I don't think any gate agent would be willing to take that chance.
 
Rogue.....

The computer logs you in, you pull out a boarding pass. You can use your PDA or laptop and look at the standby list after you put list yourself on a flight. the only way someone jumps in front of you is they have a higher classification of travel. This system works fine and it has been in place longer than I have been with AA. Almost thirty years.
All information is timestamped. Nobody is going to cheat you out of a seat unless the gate agent bypasses you on the list and that can happen no matter which method you use to list yourself.
 
A seniority date stands for more than just non rev flying. LAY OFFS is the biggest reason to have a seniority date. Pay is another. I think those two are more important than non rev travel privileges. the AA system is not new. AWA had it and I am sure other airlines use it as well. Then again we can keep posting our opinions all day but the final decision may not be ours to make.

 

[1AA]

If every non-rev listed checks-in 24 hr before departure who gets on the list first ?

What are the chances of every non rev to hit the send key at the same nano second?
I doubt 12 employees will hit the enter key at the very same nano second. Do you think you all will?

 

[AANOTOK]

If every non-rev listed checks-in 24 hr before departure who gets on the list first ?

Been down this road before John John and you know the answer. No need to start your "gaming" complaints either. Whatever happens, happens and we will all adjust.

 

[Reed Richards]

[SIZE=10.5pt]Good discussions all on jumpseat and pass rules. But all "trees falling in the forest."  In the past, I think there might have been some contractual agreements at U about pass riding, maybe even that DOH ruled. But  the pilots are now under the new Green Book, so for them (us!) what is past, is past.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]I have no control over either of the current concerns, Jumpseat or Pass Riding. Whatever management tells me is the procedure, is the procedure. Time to adapt and move on. The rust heads, speedbirds, smiley planes, and all the rest are now history.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]The policies at both airlines have apparently worked well.  Either policy, or a combo will continue to do so. What is next, worrying about the paint job? RR[/SIZE]
 
 

 

[silverbird007]

If every non-rev listed checks-in 24 hr before departure who gets on the list first ?

When several different people check in at the same time I'm not sure how the system works. Maybe the computer can detect the first one who hits the enter key even if only by a fraction of a second? I have wondered about that too. I commuted for a few years and sometimes I would be first on the list and sometimes 5th.

 

[nevergiveup]

First come first serve might be better if check in was a week prior to departure. This would allow people to plan a little more.

 

[1AA]

First come first serve might be better if check in was a week prior to departure. This would allow people to plan a little more.

When your non revving you can not plan too far ahead if you are heading for a popular destination. Knowing the flights are going to be tight ahead of time the FCFS would be better served. 24 hours gives you more time than a senior person or persons putting themselves on the list one hour before departure, don't you think?

 

[nevergiveup]

When your non revving you can not plan too far ahead if you are heading for a popular destination. Knowing the flights are going to be tight ahead of time the FCFS would be better served. 24 hours gives you more time than a senior person or persons putting themselves on the list one hour before departure, don't you think?

Some resorts require 3 days notice to cancel. In that situation, it would be better to know more than 24 hrs out where you stand on a list.

 

[1AA]

Some resorts require 3 days notice to cancel. In that situation, it would be better to know more than 24 hrs out where you stand on a list.

3 days is still more than 24 hours and a senior person walking up one hour before departure is even worse. So if you have been non revving for a while you know that if you must be somewhere then just buy a ticket. For example lets say you and your spouse are number 2 and 3 on the list does not mean you will be 2 and 3 two hours or so before departure. At AA if we go on VC we check the flights ahead of time and then decide to either use our D2 or upgrade to D1. If it is really bad we either look for alternate flights or buy a ticket. Even by seniority you will risk not getting on your desired flight. But with FCFS you will establish yourself on the list knowing that if any johnny come latelys show up they are after you as long as they are in the same classification.

 

[Graceson]

When your non revving you can not plan too far ahead if you are heading for a popular destination. Knowing the flights are going to be tight ahead of time the FCFS would be better served. 24 hours gives you more time than a senior person or persons putting themselves on the list one hour before departure, don't you think?

How does FCFS work when a nonrev is checked in for an 8:00am flt but doesn't make the cut and is then rolled over to the 9:00am flt with employees who have listed on it 24hrs prior? Does he/she go to the top of the next flt or the bottom?

 

[nevergiveup]

3 days is still more than 24 hours and a senior person walking up one hour before departure is even worse. So if you have been non revving for a while you know that if you must be somewhere then just buy a ticket. For example lets say you and your spouse are number 2 and 3 on the list does not mean you will be 2 and 3 two hours or so before departure. At AA if we go on VC we check the flights ahead of time and then decide to either use our D2 or upgrade to D1. If it is really bad we either look for alternate flights or buy a ticket. Even by seniority you will risk not getting on your desired flight. But with FCFS you will establish yourself on the list knowing that if any johnny come latelys show up they are after you as long as they are in the same classification.

Maybe we should all just get one of the credit cards they so rudely sell in the cabin!