No more fighting from the East or the West...

[safety stud]

Is it possible to for this company to get it together? Has the animosity on both sides of this company become so tangled up we can't work together to simply operate this airline? Serious problems exist within our organization: from top management brass to the lowely part-timer....This company needs a serious overhaul. The question is, Is this possible?

If we, meaning the employee's, don't take a stand and stop the constant bickering between us, regardless of what anyone does, this airline will fail. Not because of managment, but because of us. We have become so involved in our own micro-cosim, we forgot that each of us makes up a small cog in the intricate workings of an airline. It is very easy to point a finger at someone else...It is very easy so say that this new way of doing it doesn't work, and it is easy to just turn the other cheek when you know you could have done something to make it work. Yet, we don't... Because in our eyes we think we have a better way... or, I'm not going to do that, and guess what, I don't care if our passengers leave... How many times over the past year have we heard this? How many postings on this board have you read that say this?

I'm not in management, nor would I want to be at this time. I do have a vested interest in this company however. Being here for 25 years makes this my home. It's my job. It's what I do. Do I think this company is headed in the right direction? Not yet... Do I want to see this airline prosper...You bet...
Do I want to be here when it does, of course. Am I going to go the extra mile to provide this airline with the best customer service. YES... Why?

Because it's my airline. It's not Dougs... It's not Kirbys... It's not the stockholders... It's not even the posters on this board... It's my airline. It's what I do... So the next time you want to point a finger at someone, point it to yourself first... ask yourself if what you did was the best you had to offer of yourself. Self respect starts with each one of us. I am ashamed at how this airline has tarnished it's image to the point where we don't even respect ourselves. It is a sad day when this happens.

I however will continue to keep my head high. Through all the problems... and continue to do the best I can to keep our customers comming back. Not because I think the company wants me to, because "I" want to. It's a hard lesson to face but we ALL must do it, otherwise we have no one else to blame but ourselves if this airline ceases to exist.

Just my opinion...

 

[Mr Furlough]

Is it possible to for this company to get it together? Has the animosity on both sides of this company become so tangled up we can't work together to simply operate this airline? Serious problems exist within our organization: from top management brass to the lowely part-timer....This company needs a serious overhaul. The question is, Is this possible?

If we, meaning the employee's, don't take a stand and stop the constant bickering between us, regardless of what anyone does, this airline will fail. Not because of managment, but because of us. We have become so involved in our own micro-cosim, we forgot that each of us makes up a small cog in the intricate workings of an airline. It is very easy to point a finger at someone else...It is very easy so say that this new way of doing it doesn't work, and it is easy to just turn the other cheek when you know you could have done something to make it work. Yet, we don't... Because in our eyes we think we have a better way... or, I'm not going to do that, and guess what, I don't care if our passengers leave... How many times over the past year have we heard this? How many postings on this board have you read that say this?

I'm not in management, nor would I want to be at this time. I do have a vested interest in this company however. Being here for 25 years makes this my home. It's my job. It's what I do. Do I think this company is headed in the right direction? Not yet... Do I want to see this airline prosper...You bet...
Do I want to be here when it does, of course. Am I going to go the extra mile to provide this airline with the best customer service. YES... Why?

Because it's my airline. It's not Dougs... It's not Kirbys... It's not the stockholders... It's not even the posters on this board... It's my airline. It's what I do... So the next time you want to point a finger at someone, point it to yourself first... ask yourself if what you did was the best you had to offer of yourself. Self respect starts with each one of us. I am ashamed at how this airline has tarnished it's image to the point where we don't even respect ourselves. It is a sad day when this happens.

I however will continue to keep my head high. Through all the problems... and continue to do the best I can to keep our customers comming back. Not because I think the company wants me to, because "I" want to. It's a hard lesson to face but we ALL must do it, otherwise we have no one else to blame but ourselves if this airline ceases to exist.

Just my opinion...

Thank you for your thoughtful post. While I can't, and won't, speak for all; my impression is that everyone I come into contact with in this job is bust'n their humps. It's hard to be in your A game when your a reserve and being called from scheduling 27-28 days out of the month. The whole system is whacked.

25 years with this company ha? Tell me, how would you respond to handing any upward mobility to a 2 year pilot from another airline? If you are honest with yourself, you will find that you wouldn't like one single bit. And that's a barrier between where we are now, and where we need to go collectively. If one were to get their arms around this concept in a meaningful manner, who knows what we could build from this heap. Dave will be just fine, he's got a lot of great years ahead of him while we all vacate.

Anyway, thanks again for your post. Working for a great airline is a lot of fun. It's nice to at least dream.

 

[WCT]

I agree too. That was a great post. Sometimes we get so involved in this forum that we forget there is whole US Airways Airline out there running. This forum can be downright toxic, and unforgiving. There are to many wonderful employees out there, and ff's, elites that still care about this airline. I think for a lot of people, this is stress reliever and can be very funny at times. I especially like N965VJ's posts, always make me laugh and bring a smile to my face. Finds the funniest pictures to.

 

[US1YFARE]

we forget there is whole US Airways Airline out there running.

I am confused....did you really mean to say:

"there is whole US Airways Airline out there we forget running"

because that is what is happening...unless you mean that the airline is being run into the ground

 

[prechilill]

25 years with this company ha? Tell me, how would you respond to handing any upward mobility to a 2 year pilot from another airline? If you are honest with yourself, you will find that you wouldn't like one single bit.

Dave will be just fine, he's got a lot of great years ahead of him while we all vacate.

So why do you think you are entitled to super-seniority? You were at the bottom of your own list and you were appropriately placed at the bottom of the combined list. That is fair, no gain or loss for you. If you are envious of Dave's age that is a personal problem. Yes, he has quite many years remaining in his career, but to use that or his age against his advancement as a professional pilot is pure discrimination. This board has seen a collection of east pilots post endlessly about DOH but none of you can produce one document relevant to this merger which states DOH, years of service are considerations in an integrated seniority list. You all tap dance (and very well I might add) around that little fact and pontificate constantly about your righteous entitlement to super-seniority.
So, just produce one document relevant to ALPA merger policy stating your career stagnation merits super seniority on our list. Just one. If you can't produce anything (we all know you can't produce anything because this DOH principle is a part of your imagination) or just simply take a pass on answering we all will understand why.

 

[BottomFeeder]

So why do you think you are entitled to super-seniority? You were at the bottom of your own list and you were appropriately placed at the bottom of the combined list. That is fair, no gain or loss for you. If you are envious of Dave's age that is a personal problem. Yes, he has quite many years remaining in his career, but to use that or his age against his advancement as a professional pilot is pure discrimination. This board has seen a collection of east pilots post endlessly about DOH but none of you can produce one document relevant to this merger which states DOH, years of service are considerations in an integrated seniority list. You all tap dance (and very well I might add) around that little fact and pontificate constantly about your righteous entitlement to super-seniority.
So, just produce one document relevant to ALPA merger policy stating your career stagnation merits super seniority on our list. Just one. If you can't produce anything (we all know you can't produce anything because this DOH principle is a part of your imagination) or just simply take a pass on answering we all will understand why.

Problem is that you will never understand since you don't want to. Call it one way thinking or made up your mind already.

 

[missthe727]

Is it possible to for this company to get it together? Has the animosity on both sides of this company become so tangled up we can't work together to simply operate this airline? Serious problems exist within our organization: from top management brass to the lowely part-timer....This company needs a serious overhaul. The question is, Is this possible?

If we, meaning the employee's, don't take a stand and stop the constant bickering between us, regardless of what anyone does, this airline will fail. Not because of managment, but because of us. We have become so involved in our own micro-cosim, we forgot that each of us makes up a small cog in the intricate workings of an airline. It is very easy to point a finger at someone else...It is very easy so say that this new way of doing it doesn't work, and it is easy to just turn the other cheek when you know you could have done something to make it work. Yet, we don't... Because in our eyes we think we have a better way... or, I'm not going to do that, and guess what, I don't care if our passengers leave... How many times over the past year have we heard this? How many postings on this board have you read that say this?

I'm not in management, nor would I want to be at this time. I do have a vested interest in this company however. Being here for 25 years makes this my home. It's my job. It's what I do. Do I think this company is headed in the right direction? Not yet... Do I want to see this airline prosper...You bet...
Do I want to be here when it does, of course. Am I going to go the extra mile to provide this airline with the best customer service. YES... Why?

Because it's my airline. It's not Dougs... It's not Kirbys... It's not the stockholders... It's not even the posters on this board... It's my airline. It's what I do... So the next time you want to point a finger at someone, point it to yourself first... ask yourself if what you did was the best you had to offer of yourself. Self respect starts with each one of us. I am ashamed at how this airline has tarnished it's image to the point where we don't even respect ourselves. It is a sad day when this happens.

I however will continue to keep my head high. Through all the problems... and continue to do the best I can to keep our customers comming back. Not because I think the company wants me to, because "I" want to. It's a hard lesson to face but we ALL must do it, otherwise we have no one else to blame but ourselves if this airline ceases to exist.

Just my opinion...

Love-ly post but c/mon dude..... this place is a wreck. This George Bush thinking of "why can't we all get along" won't happen until we have the proper management...
This place is your home ??? It's been a LOT of our homes...the smart people are trying to find a different place to live.
I just looked at a Silver Preferred directly in the eye the other night after yet one more hassle from a gate agent in PHL and said " Why do you even continue to fly us?"
He told me he tries not to.
It's a sad state of affairs and Tempe is clueless.

 

[safety stud]

Love-ly post but c/mon dude..... this place is a wreck. This George Bush thinking of "why can't we all get along" won't happen until we have the proper management...
This place is your home ??? It's been a LOT of our homes...the smart people are trying to find a different place to live.
I just looked at a Silver Preferred directly in the eye the other night after yet one more hassle from a gate agent in PHL and said " Why do you even continue to fly us?"
He told me he tries not to.
It's a sad state of affairs and Tempe is clueless.

No one ever said this place was perfect. Nor do I think it is. But your mis-guided fingerpointing is exactly what I am talking about. What does "The George Bush Thinking" have to do whether I ticket a passenger correctly and make sure he/she get's to their destination effeciently, or wether I turn the wrench correctly and make sure the a/c is able to fly to the best of it's ablility, or If I fly my route to the destination as safely and diligently as possible, or even whether I serve a passenger a beverage and a meal and a smile to make their day go a little easier?

Management needs to take heed of the problems, that goes without saying. However, WE, also need to take heed of our own personal differences and move past them. Fingerpointing to everyone else just shows ignorance without substance. Your opportunity to turn a bad situation into a good one, showed with you saying "Why do you continue to fly us". Have we all become so listless that we don't see the negativity of our own personal actions? It's a dommino effect. One tells another and so on till...no one wants to fly on us...

Management must do what they need to fix this ailing beast. If that's putting a new management team in place, so be it. If it's retooling the airline to become an airline of choice, so be it. It's up to the employee's to make sure the airline runs, and does so to the best of it's ability. You see we are the heart of the airline. Management can't run an airline without it's dedicated employee's. So I guess you must ask yourself a simple question...Are you that person....Are you that dedicated employee who can turn bad management decissions into positive transactions with our passengers? It's up to you, and It's up to me, to do that...

Just my opinion...

 

[nycbusdriver]

No more fighting from the East or the West..., Is this possible?

Possible.

Maybe in the next generation, or two.

 

[Tiger 1050]

Problem is that you will never understand since you don't want to. Call it one way thinking or made up your mind already.

Right back atcha buddy...

 

[sharktooth]

No one ever said this place was perfect. Nor do I think it is. But your mis-guided fingerpointing is exactly what I am talking about. What does "The George Bush Thinking" have to do whether I ticket a passenger correctly and make sure he/she get's to their destination effeciently, or wether I turn the wrench correctly and make sure the a/c is able to fly to the best of it's ablility, or If I fly my route to the destination as safely and diligently as possible, or even whether I serve a passenger a beverage and a meal and a smile to make their day go a little easier?

Management needs to take heed of the problems, that goes without saying. However, WE, also need to take heed of our own personal differences and move past them. Fingerpointing to everyone else just shows ignorance without substance. Your opportunity to turn a bad situation into a good one, showed with you saying "Why do you continue to fly us". Have we all become so listless that we don't see the negativity of our own personal actions? It's a dommino effect. One tells another and so on till...no one wants to fly on us...

Management must do what they need to fix this ailing beast. If that's putting a new management team in place, so be it. If it's retooling the airline to become an airline of choice, so be it. It's up to the employee's to make sure the airline runs, and does so to the best of it's ability. You see we are the heart of the airline. Management can't run an airline without it's dedicated employee's. So I guess you must ask yourself a simple question...Are you that person....Are you that dedicated employee who can turn bad management decissions into positive transactions with our passengers? It's up to you, and It's up to me, to do that...

Just my opinion...

Wow! Just your opinion.

Tell the employee who sees the operation falling apart, clients leaving in droves and an unresponsive management who constantly tells the same employee to sacrifice, sacrifice, to suck it up and not contribute to the already ample bad news about the most non-operative operation in this hemisphere.

You, sir, have taken arrogance to a new level.

So, when does the employee get to fire management? Does the corporation have to die, first?

 

[Phoenix]

Right back atcha buddy...

Buddies? No. brothers! ALPA brothers... and that says it all.

 

[WCT]

I am confused....did you really mean to say:

"there is whole US Airways Airline out there we forget running"

because that is what is happening...unless you mean that the airline is being run into the ground

That too. But the employees are trying there darnest to make things work! I have no control of Tempe mgmt, but I can make a difference by making the customer happy.

 

[safety stud]

Wow! Just your opinion.

Tell the employee who sees the operation falling apart, clients leaving in droves and an unresponsive management who constantly tells the same employee to sacrifice, sacrifice, to suck it up and not contribute to the already ample bad news about the most non-operative operation in this hemisphere.

You, sir, have taken arrogance to a new level.

So, when does the employee get to fire management? Does the corporation have to die, first?

Sharktooth,

You bring up a very good point... Why should we, the employees, take the brunt of bad management decisions? Because they are just that...Bad management decisions... The fact that clients are leaving in droves isn't the fault of you, it's the fault of management. We have all had to sacrifice alot to get to the position we are in. No-one at all likes what we have had to endure. However, it wasn't you that drove these passengers away...It's the lack of management that has. Having to ask your employee group to suck it up and take one for the gipper, isn't the issue. It's up to us, the employee's to make sure the bad management decisions don't eliminate the possiblity for us to survive this. Dedicating yourself to a worthy cause, such as good customer service is the job we all face on a daily level. To me there are 3 choices to which change can take place.

1. We go to the shareholders and show a vote of no confidence. That could bring about a change in upper management.

2. We take the company private. The employee's take control of the company. This is very unlikely because to bring about the needed financing would mean more pay cuts, work rule changes, and loss of more benefits.

3. We muster up enough strength to survive the bad management decisions, and let nature take it's course in regards to the airline. Shareholders are the key... It is their ownership, and theirs alone that can bring about chage quickest. A company that loses the confidence in it's financial backers is a company destined for change.

I also don't feel I am being arrogant when I say that all of us must do their best to provide our customers with the best service possible with the tools we have. You can only do so much... If our customers leave... It's not because of you, or I, it's because of D.P and S.K. and their bad decisions.

Just my opinion...

 

[700UW]

Learn from UAL, the ESOP was a total failure and the employees lost their investment.