New Vote o Video from Local Presidents

[Bob Owens]

What are you smoking bob? We have already given them 9 years. As long as you stay in your position you probably won't feel the Pay issue will you? Are you not making more as president than you would if you were back on the box? You knew that Aa would do what the other carriers did. If we would have voted in the 2010 deal we would not be last. Saying Aa can't out source maintenance soon is way off the mark. The mro's all already tooling up. You probably already know or knew that 2014 is going to be an issue. Please let us know how we will be better off letting this get ugly. Aa was going after our medical just like the others if you could not see that you should probably retire and try to enjoy fishing.

Yes my coworkers treat me well, I make around $22,000 a year on top of my base rate. I used to pull down up to $10K a year in OT and had a second job earning anywhere from $15,000 to $20,000 a year, depending on how much I wanted to work, with a lot more time off than I have now. So if I dont go by hours its pretty much a wash financially. Now lets compare that to the international, they are all well into six figures and they sit ther and tell us to accept the lowest wages in the industry. I'm still making less than I did in 2001.

If you would have voted in the 2010 deal you might have been one away from last, but then again USAIR admitted yesterday that they are waiting to see where we end up before they settle with their mechanics.

As far as the MROs tooling up please show me a reference to support that. I've read articles where MROs, ahving been burnt in the past say they arent going to spool up for AA and read several articles where MROs were saying they couldnt get people. More fear tactics?

 

[Tex-Mech]

I would be out selling this POS sandwich for the company if AA is picking up the tab for the TWU's expenses. And, would you call that a conflict of interest when the company who's ready to decimate you agrees to pick up the tab.....in exchange for what???? you guessed it....to demolish your livlihoods! How pathetic is that! I don't even work for the company anymore and I will vote NO! The TWU needs to go...like yesterday!

The only ones being decimated are those who pay the salaries of the appointed ones, like overspeed, who do not live under this turd sandwich. If only those who are telling us to vote for this turd sandwich actually had to work under it.

 

[Bob Owens]

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And they are bound by laws and ethics, they wont lie for the TWU as their companies will get paid one way or another, the TWU will pay them, and the TWU will SOL if AA doesnt reimburse them.

And AA wil reimburse them only if we accept the deal right?

And to say that those two individuals will say what ever the TWU wants them too is a blatant falsehood.

But to say they will present an arguement that favors the interests of their client is fact.

I have worked with Tom and Sharon and saw them both in court, Sharon was our lead attorney in both chapter 11 cases and during the 1113 e hearing she did convince the judge to lessen the emergency paycut and some other items.

And they did such a great job that you quit working for USAIR right? How many years did you have there? where do you work now? So we follow their advice and end up with a job thats so bad that we need to quit or fight and hope that we make the job worth coming back to.

 

[NYer]

Are any of those groups earning $8/hr less than the median wage for their peer group?

Have those groups been saying no to anything that has been presented for the last 5 years? We lost a raise in '08. We stand to lose a raises until '18...Then at that time, I guess it will be the International's fault because we got not raises in 10 years. It just doesn't make sense.

You don't trust Don, Bobby, Jim, or anyone else at the International...You don't trust the other 9 Presidents that voted against you...You don't trust Donnelly....You don't trust Tom Roth....You don't trust Sharon Levine.....You don't trust the Horton, or any other AA Executive...You don't trust the Company negotiator....You don't trust the Judge....BUT we're supposed to vote No so that ALL those people are still in play.

Let's get real. You want another Union. Just say so, we vote this in...If everyone wants a change, then we change. I suspect, that you don't believe there are enough votes for a change, but if this is voted down...There would be less at the bases to vote against you and/or there would be more pissed off people willing to take the plunge since there nowhere else to go.

 

[Overspeed]

Are any of those groups earning $8/hr less than the median wage for their peer group?

Doesn't matter. The judge is not guided by getting us any type of pay parity. He can only abrogate or not. He does not set wages. You are expecting him to not abrogate based on market rate pay rates. What is market rate for overhaul? Not $40. Not $35. It's $25 or less for overhaul at MROs. What is market on outsourcing? 50% or higher. What is industry standard on outsourcing of WB overhaul? Send it to China, Singapore, and Korea where UA, CO, and DL's WB's go. Is that what you are hoping for? A compromise on wages to UA or DL rates in exchange for more outsourcing? Well guess what? That is what the UCC wants. That is what AA wants? Is that what TUL wants?

Vote no and you will find out Bob. You can only get the wage rate up if you concede more outsourcing or higher cost benefits. The UCC still has to approve the deal even after we vote yes or no. AA can't agree to something they do not. Your arguments have been debunked by Levine and Roth.

 

[Mr Red]

Have those groups been saying no to anything that has been presented for the last 5 years? We lost a raise in '08. We stand to lose a raises until '18...Then at that time, I guess it will be the International's fault because we got not raises in 10 years. It just doesn't make sense.

You don't trust Don, Bobby, Jim, or anyone else at the International...You don't trust the other 9 Presidents that voted against you...You don't trust Donnelly....You don't trust Tom Roth....You don't trust Sharon Levine.....You don't trust the Horton, or any other AA Executive...You don't trust the Company negotiator....You don't trust the Judge....BUT we're supposed to vote No so that ALL those people are still in play.

Let's get real. You want another Union. Just say so, we vote this in...If everyone wants a change, then we change. I suspect, that you don't believe there are enough votes for a change, but if this is voted down...There would be less at the bases to vote against you and/or there would be more pissed off people willing to take the plunge since there nowhere else to go.

TWU leading the way for the DEAD LAST IN PAY BENEFITS AND WORK RULES FOR THE AMTs OF AA
Its time for them to go !!!!

 

[Mr Red]

TWU leading the way for the DEAD LAST IN PAY BENEFITS AND WORK RULES FOR THE AMTs OF AA
Its time for them to go !!!!

That working together slogan seems to be doing pretty well for AA/TWU Their Employees are the BOTTOM FEEDERS OF THE INDUSTRY !!

 

[Bob Owens]

Have those groups been saying no to anything that has been presented for the last 5 years?

uh, Yes. They all did. And some of them were second in the industry behind Southwest, not at the bottom like us.

You don't trust the other 9 Presidents that voted against you.

Five out of the six A&Ps in the room voted against this. There was one A&P President, STL that voted for it, the other two Presidents were Fleet service Clerks, one is retired, none of the other were Presidents or A&Ps.

 

[Mr Red]

uh, Yes. They all did. And some of them were second in the industry behind Southwest, not at the bottom like us.




Five out of the six A&Ps in the room voted against this. There was one A&P President, STL that voted for it, the other two Presidents were Fleet service Clerks, one is retired, none of the other were Presidents or A&Ps.

NOT EVEN A/Ps....THIS UNION IS A PIECE OF F_ING WORK !!!

 

[Bob Owens]

As I've said before C-11 was put in place to relieve debtors of "onerous" contracts and allow a troubled debtor to reorganize, it was not put in place to allow debtors to impose onerous contracts.

Whats onerous about this offer?

Compensation, lowest in the industry by far. more than $8/hr less than median. Historically we have been within $1/hr with UAL and Delta, we would be $8/hr less under the proposed terms

Term-six years, none of our competitors are in contracts that will last this long. When USAIR, UAL and Delta went through C-11. AA, the largest carrier had just settled a five year concessionary deal outside of BK. United, USAIR, Delta, and Southwest all have agreements that are either amendable or will be within a year.

Benefits
Health, most expensive in the industry (21%) with No cap. UAL has a 7% cap based off 2003 rates.
Holidays worst in the industry in both frequency and rate, We receieve as much as 100 less hours pay for working the Holidays.
Vacation- for the first thirty years we have 1 week per year less than all our peers, after thirty years we have two weeks less per year than many of our peers.
Sick Time -worst in the industry at 5 days per year

Workrules
Straight time pay for training
Worst OT rules
Worst bidding rules
Worst seniority protections

Even Tom admitted that what the company was asking from us was 'Gross Overkill".

 

[Overspeed]

Yes my coworkers treat me well, I make around $22,000 a year on top of my base rate. I used to pull down up to $10K a year in OT and had a second job earning anywhere from $15,000 to $20,000 a year, depending on how much I wanted to work, with a lot more time off than I have now. So if I dont go by hours its pretty much a wash financially. Now lets compare that to the international, they are all well into six figures and they sit ther and tell us to accept the lowest wages in the industry. I'm still making less than I did in 2001.

So you are accepting $22K a year from your 562 membership to represent them. Okay, shame that they are paying your salary and that many of them will get bumped or sent to the street as a result of voting no. Seems like a DFR if they are paying dues to a local whose president is working hard to get a TA voted down that will result in the loss of their jobs. I am sure you told them that all of them lower than 96/97 seniority are going to the street if the contract gets abrogated.

 

[Bob Owens]

So you are accepting $22K a year from your 562 membership to represent them. Okay, shame that they are paying your salary and that many of them will get bumped or sent to the street as a result of voting no. Seems like a DFR if they are paying dues to a local whose president is working hard to get a TA voted down that will result in the loss of their jobs. I am sure you told them that all of them lower than 96/97 seniority are going to the street if the contract gets abrogated.

If they vote YES system protection is gone so technically even Al Blackman doesnt have protection!
Guess you missed the clip where he said the way things are going he hopes we dont end up back at 50 cents an hour again,like it was in 1942 when he hired. He also said that working here is becoming a joke.

By the way we have recall in our bylaws, they can recall me at any time.

We've heard these threats before, every year during negotiations they announced layoffs, they added heads instead. In 2009 they had the great "White Spaces" threat, less than a year later the dock plan was booked solid to 2015 and they had to outsource a couple of 757s.

 

[Bob Owens]

GROSS OVERKILL!!!!!!


Thats how Tom Roth described AAs ask from the mechanics while under oath.

 

[Overspeed]

uh, Yes. They all did. And some of them were second in the industry behind Southwest, not at the bottom like us.




Five out of the six A&Ps in the room voted against this. There was one A&P President, STL that voted for it, the other two Presidents were Fleet service Clerks, one is retired, none of the other were Presidents or A&Ps.

Uh, no they didn't. US, as 700UW told you, are negotiating their first agreement since emerging from BK2. UA just negotiated their first agreement after BK and went eight years before they finally got back to the table in a normal negotiation process. CO just voted in their first TA following concessions during all the rush to BK by UA, DL, NW, and US. All those recently negotiated agreements that raised the wages at UA and CO were negotiated outside of BK court. In UA's case they went nine years dealing with the pay cuts in 1113e and 1113c before they finally passed AA.

It's an M&R agreement so more than just A&P's are in our CBA. How many non-A&Ps voted no? Should they be kicked out of the room as well?

 

[Overspeed]

If they vote YES system protection is gone so technically even Al Blackman doesnt have protection!
Guess you missed the clip where he said the way things are going he hopes we dont end up back at 50 cents an hour again,like it was in 1942 when he hired. He also said that working her is becoming a joke.

By the way we have recall in our bylaws, they can recall me at any time.

65% of the work will stay in-house under the TA. With that much work in-house he has LOTS of protection. It's called seniority. Heard about it?

Nice using the guy's big day as a way to manipulate him. Looked like he couldn't wait to run away from the phonies who were using him. Shame on you guys for using his day for your political goals. Weak and shameful.