New Vote o Video from Local Presidents

[devil505]

Ah, the twu international national convention... the epitome of undemocratic self serving oportunists. The place where if a certain motion is not passed it gets voted on again and again till the wanted outcome is achieved.

Sounds like our T/A's and LBO's.

 

[devil505]

How many more times are we going to vote before these AA/TWU a$$ clowns get the message?!




NO

 

[AA89]

The company is used to automatic contract approval. The union is doing their job as usual by applying the lipstick but the members have seen this pig too many times.

Maybe if this vote goes even further the other direction they will get the message.

 

[Bob Owens]

The company is used to automatic contract approval. The union is doing their job as usual by applying the lipstick but the members have seen this pig too many times.

Maybe if this vote goes even further the other direction they will get the message.

Hopefully, thanks to the Internet.

 

[Overspeed]

The twu version of democracy voted him into office. You know democracy where YOU don't get to vote because if you did GD would never be elected into office.

The twu is a undemocratic, industrial catch all union that protects those who are appointed by never having them live under the concessions they urge the membership to accept.

Ken,
Why were you willing to send your AIP check back because you refused to accept money from AA corporate but you took a $3000 check from them for your pet project. You told everyone else to send back the AIP, I guess when it is something you want for you integrity doesn't come in to play.

Sell your soul for the "craft" right? No. It's called believing in a concept or an ideal. Many people work hard for the TWU and accept payment or wages for the services they provide. You call that dishonest and corrupt yet when you accept cash from organizations that want to have all aircraft maintenance outsourced and standards lowered (ARSA) and the corporate machine that is destroying our pensions, outsourcing our jobs, and refusing to pay the wage you want that's different.

Don't throw rocks when you live in a glass house Ken.

 

[Overspeed]

Hopefully, thanks to the Internet.

The same place that provides factual information like Elvis sightings.

 

[Overspeed]

The company is used to automatic contract approval. The union is doing their job as usual by applying the lipstick but the members have seen this pig too many times.

Maybe if this vote goes even further the other direction they will get the message.

Yes "they" will. The judge will give AA what it wants...abrogation and more outsourcing.

 

[Mr Red]

Yes "they" will. The judge will give AA what it wants...abrogation and more outsourcing.

I will give you credit for GOING DOWN WITH THE TWU SHIP !

 

[Overspeed]

Not us, and he's not an AMT either. But he will stick a letter in our ballatts telling AMTs that they should not expect to come out of BK as well (compared to their peers) as FSCs, and all the other groups that ratified their deals. Have to wonder why the TWU feels that AMTs should be the only ones that agree to bottom of the industry wages for at least 6 more years? He wrote such a nice letter for AMT day, then, even though everyone else is coming out of this still pretty high as far as ranking with their peers he feels that we are worth $16,000 less than mechanics at UAL. If we were making $1 less we would still be at the bottom, but $16,000 less??? Thats more like having a different profession, not a different employer, we arent even close. Are our Fleet service clerks making $16,000 less than any of their peers? Its not even as if UAL is number 1. UPS is and they make $57,000 more than we do. UAL is near the bottom, only USAIR, the Airline our leaders picked as a merger partner is between AA, which is at the Bottom, and United, which is third from the bottom.

And you recommended we vote against the deal that would have put us above UA, CO, US, and DL for the last two years. BK was a scare tactic perpetrated by the Int'l and AA? No, it was a fact. Now we are faced with another decision and you come up with Bob Owen's Fun Facts to Vote By and we are supposed to believe you?

Am I scared to vote no? No but I am terrified that people will buy in to your BS stories again. Your comparison to UA only looks that way because the band of no voting, "we got balls" Presidents recommended to the membership that we could get a better deal and we believed you. AA AMTs getting paid less by any measure is directly attributable to the advice you and your buddies provided in 2010. Own it. You made a bad call then and you are making a bad recommendation now.

You will not prove or show AA and the judge that the union will not take it and deserve more. To the contrary, you will back up AA's assertion in court that the union has been unwilling and unable to come to grips that costs are too high and they needed to change. That AA bargained with us for years and that the TWU membership was unwilling to make any compromises and that BK was the inevitable result. Judge Lane will abrogate and the outsourcing train will be pulling out of the station. Sure the TWU can keep talking but that is likely to start in 2013 in earnest followed by a few years of "good faith bargaining". Hey, maybe there will be a merger in between to really delay the process. All the while you can keep typing on the internet about the NMB, AA, and the TWU all being against you and when who are still working pull up our pay statements they will stay say bottom wages with no end in sight.

 

[Mr Red]

And you recommended we vote against the deal that would have put us above UA, CO, US, and DL for the last two years. BK was a scare tactic perpetrated by the Int'l and AA? No, it was a fact. Now we are faced with another decision and you come up with Bob Owen's Fun Facts to Vote By and we are supposed to believe you?

Am I scared to vote no? No but I am terrified that people will buy in to your BS stories again. Your comparison to UA only looks that way because the band of no voting, "we got balls" Presidents recommended to the membership that we could get a better deal and we believed you. AA AMTs getting paid less by any measure is directly attributable to the advice you and your buddies provided in 2010. Own it. You made a bad call then and you are making a bad recommendation now.

You will not prove or show AA and the judge that the union will not take it and deserve more. To the contrary, you will back up AA's assertion in court that the union has been unwilling and unable to come to grips that costs are too high and they needed to change. That AA bargained with us for years and that the TWU membership was unwilling to make any compromises and that BK was the inevitable result. Judge Lane will abrogate and the outsourcing train will be pulling out of the station. Sure the TWU can keep talking but that is likely to start in 2013 in earnest followed by a few years of "good faith bargaining". Hey, maybe there will be a merger in between to really delay the process. All the while you can keep typing on the internet about the NMB, AA, and the TWU all being against you and when who are still working pull up our pay statements they will stay say bottom wages with no end in sight.

You seem to forget it was a LANDSLIDE vote 64% NO !!!

 

[Mr Red]

And you recommended we vote against the deal that would have put us above UA, CO, US, and DL for the last two years. BK was a scare tactic perpetrated by the Int'l and AA? No, it was a fact. Now we are faced with another decision and you come up with Bob Owen's Fun Facts to Vote By and we are supposed to believe you?

Am I scared to vote no? No but I am terrified that people will buy in to your BS stories again. Your comparison to UA only looks that way because the band of no voting, "we got balls" Presidents recommended to the membership that we could get a better deal and we believed you. AA AMTs getting paid less by any measure is directly attributable to the advice you and your buddies provided in 2010. Own it. You made a bad call then and you are making a bad recommendation now.

You will not prove or show AA and the judge that the union will not take it and deserve more. To the contrary, you will back up AA's assertion in court that the union has been unwilling and unable to come to grips that costs are too high and they needed to change. That AA bargained with us for years and that the TWU membership was unwilling to make any compromises and that BK was the inevitable result. Judge Lane will abrogate and the outsourcing train will be pulling out of the station. Sure the TWU can keep talking but that is likely to start in 2013 in earnest followed by a few years of "good faith bargaining". Hey, maybe there will be a merger in between to really delay the process. All the while you can keep typing on the internet about the NMB, AA, and the TWU all being against you and when who are still working pull up our pay statements they will stay say bottom wages with no end in sight.

COMPROMISE.......WE are the BOTTOM FEEDERS of the industry !What are you talking about.

 

[Birdman]

You seem to forget it was a LANDSLIDE vote 64% NO !!!

That wasn't the M&R declining a rotten deal, that was Bob Owens casting a single roll call vote for 2/3rds of the membership.

 

[Bob Owens]

The same place that provides factual information like Elvis sightings.

Granted you have to consider the source but the Internet has created an explosion of available information, sure you have to sift though the chaff, like posts from you, but it has changed the world. Control freaks hate it.

 

[Bob Owens]

Yes "they" will. The judge will give AA what it wants...abrogation and more outsourcing.

More? To whom? The company admitted that it will take till next year to find a home for the stuff they plan to outsource from AFW. Capacity is tight in the MRO market.

 

[Rogallo]

Granted you have to consider the source but the Internet has created an explosion of available information, sure you have to sift though the chaff, like posts from you, but it has changed the world. Control freaks hate it.

Ain't that the truth..!!