New TWU president talks tough against DOJ lawsuit, American Airlines layoffs, industry outsourcing

[Overspeed]

He is really saying that we should accept lower wages so kids in school will have jobs waiting for them at AA, problem is there aren't many in those schools, so really the only one benefitting from all this is AA. He blasts SWA for not increasing its headcount proportionately with fleet growth, for opting instead for higher wages and no layoffs while at the same time AA was laying off workers, reducing headcount faster than fleet reduction, slashing wages and benefits and gutting contract language. he claims that AA would give us SWA contract and based on their mechanic to aircraft ratio that we would all be gone, then later cites how the mixed fleet at AA after the TWA merger drove headcount to 18000. So he admits in one post that a mixed fleet drives up headcount but in another claims that contract language, not the needs of the operation, dictates headcount. He is spinning so fast he made himself so dizzy and disorientated that he cant keep his lies straight.

The growth of A&P mechanics needed U.S. industry wide is less that 6% over the ten year period starting 2010. http://www.bls.gov/ooh/installation-maintenance-and-repair/aircraft-and-avionics-equipment-mechanics-and-technicians.htm#tab-6

The discussion about the 18,000 had to do with your distortion of AMTs being decimated because of the TWU. I pointed out that you leave out key facts like fleet size reduction and the fact that synergies gained from merging two airlines together drive a lower AMT need. Keep making up stuff to make yourself feel better.

There was no guilt trip. I merely pointed out that SWA started with very little overhaul and AA has always had its own overhaul. You are trying to justify SWA paying more while neglecting the full story of how they got there. Normal for AMFA supporters to leave key facts out. You stated in your earlier post that why should the union protect jobs that everyone else has given up on. You are fine with putting all our AO Title I out of work for a fatter paycheck. Just tell the truth for once.

What about AS? AMFA protected how many overhaul jobs there while the company makes record profits? They let the whole OAK overhaul base go without even so much as a whimper?

 

[swamt]

The growth of A&P mechanics needed U.S. industry wide is less that 6% over the ten year period starting 2010. http://www.bls.gov/o...cians.htm#tab-6

The discussion about the 18,000 had to do with your distortion of AMTs being decimated because of the TWU. I pointed out that you leave out key facts like fleet size reduction and the fact that synergies gained from merging two airlines together drive a lower AMT need. Keep making up stuff to make yourself feel better.

There was no guilt trip. I merely pointed out that SWA started with very little overhaul and AA has always had its own overhaul. You are trying to justify SWA paying more while neglecting the full story of how they got there. Normal for AMFA supporters to leave key facts out. You stated in your earlier post that why should the union protect jobs that everyone else has given up on. You are fine with putting all our AO Title I out of work for a fatter paycheck. Just tell the truth for once.

What about AS? AMFA protected how many overhaul jobs there while the company makes record profits? They let the whole OAK overhaul base go without even so much as a whimper?

And the AS maint base you speak of is just a drop in the bucket compared to the number of job losses and headcount at AA just in 2003 OUTSIDE OF BK, and again in 2012. Keep posting your doing great overspin...

 

[swamt]

He is really saying that we should accept lower wages so kids in school will have jobs waiting for them at AA, problem is there aren't many in those schools, so really the only one benefitting from all this is AA. He blasts SWA for not increasing its headcount proportionately with fleet growth, for opting instead for higher wages and no layoffs while at the same time AA was laying off workers, reducing headcount faster than fleet reduction, slashing wages and benefits and gutting contract language. he claims that AA would give us SWA contract and based on their mechanic to aircraft ratio that we would all be gone, then later cites how the mixed fleet at AA after the TWA merger drove headcount to 18000. So he admits in one post that a mixed fleet drives up headcount but in another claims that contract language, not the needs of the operation, dictates headcount. He is spinning so fast he made himself so dizzy and disorientated that he cant keep his lies straight.

100% correct. Typical overspeed postings...

 

[Kev3188]

Delta outsources all airframe overhaul, want Delta wages? Then give AA Delta-like scope language. All airframe outsourced.

All OH? Are you sure?

What is true is the DL *insources* a ton of work, as well as keeping a lot of engine/component work in house...



BTW, how many line stations does DL have compared to what's left at AA?

See this is where you are ultra focused on one thing, layoffs.

Maybe, but while you're busy defending an outmoded-and ineffective- style of labor relations, you're missing what everyone is really trying to tell you. It's not about TULE or AFW, or line vs. OH; it's about the total failure of the TWU ATD to deliver for its memebers. It's about a lack of transparency, a lack of accountability, and a lack of democracy- all 3 of which AMFA does extremely well in comparison.

 

[Overspeed]

And the AS maint base you speak of is just a drop in the bucket compared to the number of job losses and headcount at AA just in 2003 OUTSIDE OF BK, and again in 2012. Keep posting your doing great overspin...

50% of your membership to outsourcing is a drop in the bucket?!?! Holy crap!

 

[Overspeed]

All OH? Are you sure?

What is true is the DL *insources* a ton of work, as well as keeping a lot of engine/component work in house...



BTW, how many line stations does DL have compared to what's left at AA?



Maybe, but while you're busy defending an outmoded-and ineffective- style of labor relations, you're missing what everyone is really trying to tell you. It's not about TULE or AFW, or line vs. OH; it's about the total failure of the TWU ATD to deliver for its memebers. It's about a lack of transparency, a lack of accountability, and a lack of democracy- all 3 of which AMFA does extremely well in comparison.

Yes DL in-sources a ton of work, to their engine shop and so does AA through TAESL. Engines are a low labor high margin business. The largest MRO in the world by revenue is GE Engine Services. Have you looked at how many unlicensed mechanics DL uses in Tech Ops? Over 1,500 in the base alone. It's on the FAA Repair Station website. Look it up.

True. AMFA has been completely transparent. After losing 90% of NWA's jobs to outsourcing, 50% of AS M&R membership, losing UA's M&R to "anything but AMFA" the IBT, and not convincing DL to join AMFA I agree. They have been completely transparent about losing jobs.

AMFA has been completely transparent about paying Delle $500K after the union dropped its membership by 80%.

And democracy? Like when the DOL had to step in recently because of election violations in its last National election? Yeah, completely transparent.

 

[iluvaa]

Can we move on you people have beat this horse to death post after post saying the same damn thing

 

[Overspeed]

How 'bout those Tigers!

 

[swamt]

50% of your membership to outsourcing is a drop in the bucket?!?! Holy crap!

Better than the TWU's record at AA. Going from 18,000 to 6500 by 2017 that's (you can do math right) 65% loss of membership. But just for compare, what are the AS guys making compared to the AA guys to come back to? How bout the bennies? How bout the quality of like differences? Like you said you have to look at the full picture. Still the TWU has clearly done extremely worse at AA, using your example above to AS. AND, the AS guys have a lot better contract to come back to. Thx again for pointing this out. Keep posting...

 

[TWU informer]

50% of your membership to outsourcing is a drop in the bucket?!?! Holy crap!

You did not take that same position when you advocate AMFA vote yes at Northwest. Which is it? Does 50% matter or not? The only option at the table for AMFA at Northwest was outsourcing over 50% of the membership and you say they should have been allowed the vote and they should have voted yes, to live to fight another day, like the TWU always claims as they decimate the profession. Forked tongue snake comes to mind here.

 

[Overspeed]

You did not take that same position when you advocate AMFA vote yes at Northwest. Which is it? Does 50% matter or not? The only option at the table for AMFA at Northwest was outsourcing over 50% of the membership and you say they should have been allowed the vote and they should have voted yes, to live to fight another day, like the TWU always claims as they decimate the profession. Forked tongue snake comes to mind here.

Nope. AMFA fell in to NWA's hands on that one. They were hoping that a PEB would come to their rescue but Bush did nothing. NWA had replacements lined up. A job action that kept you on the job would have worked better. Face it. AMFA took a hard line and got the hard one. Thousands more than 50% lost their jobs. Nice job AMFA.

 

[exs]

I don't know if anyone has noticed, but Overspeed was very quite and in a hole somewhere after the IBT filed with the TWU and the company. (Yes I think it was a well played out show of the TWU).

Now that AMFA is a threat again he's back putting fear into peoples heads, typical TWU kool-aid
drinkers ploy.

You know what's really scary? Having the TWU negoitiate another contract for us,if you call giving anything the company wants negotiating.

Btw give Thx to " lower your expectations " Bobby Gless for giving up profit sharing with the company making record profits. I don't even remember voting on that, wait I didn't. Democratic union, what a bunch of horseshite.

Just go away and take this crap union with you!!!

 

[Thomas Paine]

I pointed out that you leave out key facts like fleet size reduction and the fact that synergies gained from merging two airlines together drive a lower AMT need. Keep making up stuff to make yourself feel better.

Such as the fact that NWA decreased their operation by over 20% in response to the strike and never recovered and were later merged with Delta. All carriers reduced operations but according to you this only affected headcount at AA, everywhere else it was because they didn't give enough concessions. We gave the most concessions and in the end we will have lost just as many jobs. We, by your own admission are already up to nearly 10000 jobs lost and that's not even counting the loss of A & P jobs to lower paid OSMs. We went and invested in getting our tickets, only to end up in a union that feels as long as they can collect dues they could care less who does the work. You include unlicensed low paid mechanics in your ratios and leave out the important fact that this union has for many years allowed work to be shifted away from highly paid mechanics to much lower paid mechanics that earn wages comparable to MRO wages but count that as work kept in house, sure it was kept in house but out of our craft.

 

[swamt]

Such as the fact that NWA decreased their operation by over 20% in response to the strike and never recovered and were later merged with Delta. All carriers reduced operations but according to you this only affected headcount at AA, everywhere else it was because they didn't give enough concessions. We gave the most concessions and in the end we will have lost just as many jobs. We, by your own admission are already up to nearly 10000 jobs lost and that's not even counting the loss of A & P jobs to lower paid OSMs. We went and invested in getting our tickets, only to end up in a union that feels as long as they can collect dues they could care less who does the work. You include unlicensed low paid mechanics in your ratios and leave out the important fact that this union has for many years allowed work to be shifted away from highly paid mechanics to much lower paid mechanics that earn wages comparable to MRO wages but count that as work kept in house, sure it was kept in house but out of our craft.

Good point. Spin that one overspin. C'mon, you can do it, keep posting DA...

 

[Overspeed]

Such as the fact that NWA decreased their operation by over 20% in response to the strike and never recovered and were later merged with Delta. All carriers reduced operations but according to you this only affected headcount at AA, everywhere else it was because they didn't give enough concessions. We gave the most concessions and in the end we will have lost just as many jobs. We, by your own admission are already up to nearly 10000 jobs lost and that's not even counting the loss of A & P jobs to lower paid OSMs. We went and invested in getting our tickets, only to end up in a union that feels as long as they can collect dues they could care less who does the work. You include unlicensed low paid mechanics in your ratios and leave out the important fact that this union has for many years allowed work to be shifted away from highly paid mechanics to much lower paid mechanics that earn wages comparable to MRO wages but count that as work kept in house, sure it was kept in house but out of our craft.

Going from 4000 to 900 is a lot more head count reduction than can be explained by a 20% reduction in flying.

AA reduced head count due to fleet reduction and efficiencies gained by merging two airlines, not due to outsourcing.

So AMFA allows work to be shifted from mechanics in the US to low wage MROs. AMFA is number one in creating thousands of low wage or temporary MRO jobs. Way to go AMFA!